If the current makeup of the team finishes in the bottom 10 it probably means one of four things.

1)Key injury or a string of injuries which I guess is okay unless its the injury prone players he's brought int

2) The core is flawed, highly unlikely this is the case but if it is then yea he 100 percent deserves to be canned.

3) The support/complimentary players just aren't good enough and it can't be covered up (i.e Eichel/Reinhart are not enough or Lehner cant steal enough games like Miller and the 2012 sabres)

4) Core is incomplete

#3/#4 is my bet if they miss the playoffs. I actually think Lehner will have a big year, I think Eichel, Reinhart, Risto will take huge steps forward. I even think Kane and Ennis could see a bump in stats. I hate Kulikov as our 25 minute guy, or Bogo or an unprepared McCabe for that matter. And the "bottom 6" or 3rd part of the top 9 just isn't good and or fast enough.

I know people always point to the fact that we conceded the same number of goals as the NYR avec Lundqvist and how we could barely score but what never gets pointed out is a) 3 of their 4 d-men are Yandle, Staal and Girardi. B) The cause of our lack of scoring. IMO its not talent up front, it can't be. The same team that can score as many goals as it did on the PP while looking dysfunctional half the time (how often did we tear our hair out last year over this) does not have a talent problem up front.

They had way too much trouble getting out of their own end. Spending too much time in your own end=less time in the offensive end. Lots of cases where the defencemen couldnt make a clean pass or they did and the forward botched it and it led to a prolonged stay in the d-zone.
- Sabresfan-365

"Hate" is such an ugly word.

I think this team has to be good for the sanity of many. I think it would take a lot of bad to happen for us not to be close to a playoff spot. If we are bottom 10, I give up
- sbroads24

As the late, Gerbe, once told me,

"Never give up. Never surrender."

He will be the key.
- mhp

I'm kinda hoping he's either really good or really bad

If he plays poorly,
We can move on & get one of the decent UFAs that'll be available

Elliot, Bishop, Bernier (who I definitely think we should've traded for)

They had way too much trouble getting out of their own end. Spending too much time in your own end=less time in the offensive end. Lots of cases where the defencemen couldnt make a clean pass or they did and the forward botched it and it led to a prolonged stay in the d-zone.
- Sabresfan-365

I abbreviated for length, but I really like what you said here...especially this part.

As the late, Gerbe, once told me,

"Never give up. Never surrender."
- RhinoFan

He'll rise from the dead next week.

Vesey becomes only the 22nd player, & 5th College player, to receive Max EL bonuses of $2.85M since the Salary Cap era began in 2004.

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) August 23, 2016

Had no idea it was that rare...the fact that this kid was able to get a max contract is cocky as hell.

If the current makeup of the team finishes in the bottom 10 it probably means one of four things.

1)Key injury or a string of injuries which I guess is okay unless its the injury prone players he's brought int

2) The core is flawed, highly unlikely this is the case but if it is then yea he 100 percent deserves to be canned.

3) The support/complimentary players just aren't good enough and it can't be covered up (i.e Eichel/Reinhart are not enough or Lehner cant steal enough games like Miller and the 2012 sabres)

4) Core is incomplete

#3/#4 is my bet if they miss the playoffs. I actually think Lehner will have a big year, I think Eichel, Reinhart, Risto will take huge steps forward. I even think Kane and Ennis could see a bump in stats. I hate Kulikov as our 25 minute guy, or Bogo or an unprepared McCabe for that matter. And the "bottom 6" or 3rd part of the top 9 just isn't good and or fast enough.

I know people always point to the fact that we conceded the same number of goals as the NYR avec Lundqvist and how we could barely score but what never gets pointed out is a) 3 of their 4 d-men are Yandle, Staal and Girardi. B) The cause of our lack of scoring. IMO its not talent up front, it can't be. The same team that can score as many goals as it did on the PP while looking dysfunctional half the time (how often did we tear our hair out last year over this) does not have a talent problem up front.

They had way too much trouble getting out of their own end. Spending too much time in your own end=less time in the offensive end. Lots of cases where the defencemen couldnt make a clean pass or they did and the forward botched it and it led to a prolonged stay in the d-zone.
- Sabresfan-365

This.

I don't understand the makeup of the blueline, or bottom 6.

I love how the top half of the forwards look outside of the LW position.

But do u give Murray credit for drafting them?
You or i or anyone on these boards could've made those picks

IMO, the only way we could finish bottom10 is if goaltending let's us down
Lehner is all on Murray,
And while I'm hopeful for him, he's still unproven

So if falters or gets hurt,
I think we're in BIG trouble

And Murray definitely didn't get a backup who we know will be a reliable fill in

So if fail this season,
I think it's on Murray
- jdfitz77

We could of taken Bennett or Draisatil instead of Reinhart. Eichel was obvious. Nylander wasn't obvious either and we'll eventually see what he brings to the table

Homie, I'm very late to the party but I've been watching Vikings, and the woman who plays Lagertha...wow.

https://www.yahoo.com/spo...s-puzzling-140322160.html

Interesting read regarding Vesey and him choosing the Rangers.

He'll rise from the dead next week.
- Wetbandit1

That is good to hear, he had that certain je ne sais quoi that is hard to find.


Avatar still has to go

That is good to hear, he had that certain je ne sais quoi that is hard to find.


Avatar still has to go
- RhinoFan

It's certainly more lively when he's around. He just needs to learn not to link directly to porn.

6 yes
8 no
- homiedclown

No. I think most here believe this roster is better than bottom 10. Their failure this year would be more player/injury related than GM. Ultimately the lineup he put together is better than last year. How it works out is on the actual roster and coaching staff.

Normally I would say no but as has been pointed out many times, GMTM stuck his neck out and made major moves with the intention of a) getting more known assets which in turn means b) speeding up the timeline of the rebuild.

so, yes.
- Sabresfan-365

You don't think basement to 12 points out was a signal of the rebuild being sped up?

Homie, I'm very late to the party but I've been watching Vikings, and the woman who plays Lagertha...wow.
- kingcong39

The best Canadian export

You don't think basement to 12 points out was a signal of the rebuild being sped up?
- stashu

Last year's result was on par with what it should have been IMO.

Last year's result was on par with what it should have been IMO.
- sbroads24

Curious....does Tor get to 81 points this year?

Curious....does Tor get to 81 points this year?
- Khymlev13

They won't do it without amazing years from a lot of very young players.

Homie, I'm very late to the party but I've been watching Vikings, and the woman who plays Lagertha...wow.
- kingcong39

She was in a movie with Kurt Russell stealing art last year


Very hot

They won't do it without amazing years from a lot of very young players.
- Der Kaiser

Agreed. I think 75 for Tor. I also think 81 by Buf last year was a big step.

7 yes
11 no

Agreed. I think 75 for Tor. I also think 81 by Buf last year was a big step.
- Khymlev13

I fully expect the sabres to compete for 8th or better next season

As the late, Gerbe, once told me,

"Never give up. Never surrender."
- RhinoFan

Curious....does Tor get to 81 points this year?
- Khymlev13

90 plus

90 plus
- homiedclown

No way. Not if we're talking about Toronto