Benning is a savant. Misunderstood because his thinking process is so far ahead of us regular folk when it comes to hockey. How dare you sir.
- thundachunk

Kind of like temple grandin?

Didn't realize that the canuck's autism network actually supports their own general manager. That's an excellent job placement program.

Vets, need to teach the kids how to be pros. Vets can be of differing ability levels while still teaching the kids how to be good pros and what's expected from them.

Matt Cullen is a good veteran. But his ability level is not elite.
- walshyleafsfan

Hey, why don't you get all your leafs buddies to start posting on this thread with just leafs talk?

don't even engage with the Canucks fans or posters here [about the Nux]... there's enough Canucks "fans" on here who seem to enjoy turning this into a leafs thread every day that you could legitimately say it's more about leafs than Canucks...

hell, i might start posting in the leafs thread and trying to send people over here just so the Canucks "fans" who love bringing up the leafs get their daily fix...

it'll probably be a better thread since it'll be Makita policing the thread... Dozzer might be left without anything to do...

I agree about the vets. Got to have them to balance out your roster but they are generally easy to find. Even Gillis was able to find aging vets to compliment his core. I never said the tank method required an all-rookie roster. So we'll put that one aside.

As for my point on obtaining a superstar player; I was coming from a point of a team trading a superstar off their roster. Not drafting one. We occasionally see these types of players (Hall, Subban, Weber being most recent) becoming available. To put together a package to obtain those players you need picks and prospects. You got to be bad to have those assets.

When I look at guys like Ohlund, Sedins, Bieksa, Kesler, and even Hansen I see how valuable good drafting is to create a cup contending team.
I think the days of drafting a Daigle are over. Drafting has become much more reliable in the top three to five.

I think drafting has become the only legitimate way to build a cup-challenging team. Having high draft picks improves your chances of assembling a quality core group of players. Therefor the tank has merit.
- bloatedmosquito

It absolutely has merit, the majority of the best players in the world are found high in the first round of the NHL draft…that's a fact.

This is true, but until they show an improvement on the ice they are still as pathetic as Edmonton. They are a long way away from having a competitive team. I see very little difference between the Edmonton and TO rebuild style. Sure, they left a few players in the minors for longer but I am not convinced that will lead to a noticeable difference in their development. The Oilers kids suck because there weren't any solid veterans to shield them from high leverage situations and they were thrown on the ice to get throttled every night. The Leafs will do the same thing
- CanuckDon

Weren't you just complaining about fans of poopty teams explaining that someone is doing their rebuild wrong?

It absolutely has merit, the majority of the best players in the world are found high in the first round of the NHL draft…that's a fact.
- LeftCoaster

I'm not sayin it's foolproof. I sayin it improves your changes of building a quality team.

I don't buy the counter arguements of "the owner won't put up with financial loss" and "fans won't support a full tank and rebuild". They don't hold up. Canuck history alone has proved it.

Benning is a savant. Misunderstood because his thinking process is so far ahead of us regular folk when it comes to hockey. How dare you sir.
- thundachunk

I agree with this.

He's is so good at drafting, the best we've ever had in fact. He might actually be the best in the league.
With that, who cares if he's not a legend with public speaking like linden is so gifted in. When you consider that, they make a great pair.

Weren't you just complaining about fans of poopty teams explaining that someone is doing their rebuild wrong?
- Canada Cup

Don's a VIP member of the circle-jerk gang. The boy's a ray of sunshine beating down on this pile of poop we call the canucks. Everything's awesome. No problems here. Move along.

I agree with this.

He's is so good at drafting, the best we've ever had in fact. He might actually be the best in the league.
With that, who cares if he's not a legend with public speaking like linden is so gifted in. When you consider that, they make a great pair.
- SMBDragon

Is this sarcasm? If not, can you expand on this please?

Weren't you just complaining about fans of poopty teams explaining that someone is doing their rebuild wrong?
- Canada Cup

are we talking right or wrong at a certain moment in time or a rule of thumb?

is there a right or wrong way or just different ways that sometimes succeed and often fail?

if you decide to tank and can't get out of it, does tanking work?

if you decide to tank and draft McDavid, does tanking work?

All GM's prior to Chirelli were Lowe's puppets and truly had no authority to do their job. He made them all look like idiots. MacTavish should have stuck to coaching. I think he was a great coach.
- thundachunk

yes I do too. Listening to his comments on TV post edmonton some years back he showed good coaching skill when asked what he'd do in vancouver with what was happening at the time in our playoff game he was losing. He instantly had an answer and he was right. But instead when he was in our system Gillis signed AV to a 3 yr extension and macT bolted back to edmonton

Hey, why don't you get all your leafs buddies to start posting on this thread with just leafs talk?

don't even engage with the Canucks fans or posters here
- kaptaan[about the Nux]... there's enough Canucks "fans" on here who seem to enjoy turning this into a leafs thread every day that you could legitimately say it's more about leafs than Canucks...

hell, i might start posting in the leafs thread and trying to send people over here just so the Canucks "fans" who love bringing up the leafs get their daily fix...

it'll probably be a better thread since it'll be Makita policing the thread... Dozzer might be left without anything to do...

I'm not sure you understand how the internet works.

I'm not sayin it's foolproof. I sayin it improves your changes of building a quality team.

I don't buy the counter arguements of "the owner won't put up with financial loss" and "fans won't support a full tank and rebuild". They don't hold up. Canuck history alone has proved it.
- bloatedmosquito

I agree, a few high draft picks are needed. But as you say, it's not an exact science. Drafting well from the first round thru the seventh is just as important.

IMO the worst thing that could ever happen to this franchise is the Sedins extending their current contracts. As much as I like, defend and admire those guys for everything they bring to the table, it's time to move on.

The current version of the Canucks are IMO exactly where the Oilers were before they decided to sell the farm and tank. A middling team grasping for an 8th place finish to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs, it's a lonely path to nowhere!!

I'm not sure you understand how the internet works.
- walshyleafsfan

It's like poop floating around on a breeze up there in cyber space, isn't it?

Don's a VIP member of the circle-jerk gang. The boy's a ray of sunshine beating down on this pile of poop we call the canucks. Everything's awesome. No problems here. Move along.
- bloatedmosquito

Ironically we've lost Roger Roper. Guy just vanished the second Stamkos re-signed in Toronto. Didn't see that coming.

I'm not sure you understand how the internet works.
- walshyleafsfan

Kaptaan has firsthand knowledge of how the internet works

It's like poop floating around on a breeze up there in cyber space, isn't it?
- LeftCoaster

Pretty accurate I'd say.

Weren't you just complaining about fans of poopty teams explaining that someone is doing their rebuild wrong?
- Canada Cup

No

Holy crap it's hot out already….what's the temp suppose to be out there today?

Don's a VIP member of the circle-jerk gang. The boy's a ray of sunshine beating down on this pile of poop we call the canucks. Everything's awesome. No problems here. Move along.
- bloatedmosquito

You are the most negative person I have ever conversed with. Is it just an internet act or are you like this in real life? Everything is not awesome. Our team was terrible last year. I like the direction of the team and I am sorry that you aren't onside with it. You already bailed on the team ditching your tickets so why are you still so invested?

Is this sarcasm? If not, can you expand on this please?
- bloatedmosquito

Look at his draft record since he's been here. He's had 3 drafts, 2 of which we can measure player performance since. He's had success with virtually every pick. Some will take longer to judge sure, but for the most part everything he seems to pick is solid. Look at the names in his picks, hell even JV and mcann made the team 1st year.

the trades are not as good but his drafting is amazing.

how many GMs have a draft record like that? Id say the only 1 comparable is Ken Holland

Look at his draft record since he's been here. He's had 3 drafts, 2 of which we can measure player performance since. He's had success with virtually every pick. Some will take longer to judge sure, but for the most part everything he seems to pick is solid. Look at the names in his picks, hell even JV and mcann made the team 1st year.

the trades are no as good but his drafting is amazing.

how many GMs have a draft record like that? Id say the only 1 comparable is Ken Holland
- SMBDragon

I certainly believe he's more likely than not the best drafting GM the Canucks have ever had, but, I don't think I'd go as far to say he's the best in the business.

I agree, a few high draft picks are needed. But as you say, it's not an exact science. Drafting well from the first round thru the seventh is just as important.

IMO the worst thing that could ever happen to this franchise is the Sedins extending their current contracts. As much as I like, defend and admire those guys for everything they bring to the table, it's time to move on.

The current version of the Canucks are IMO exactly where the Oilers were before they decided to sell the farm and tank. A middling team grasping for an 8th place finish to get bounced in the first round of the playoffs, it's a lonely path to nowhere!!
- LeftCoaster

That's all I've been saying... just with a bit more whine.

After the Torts fiasco the canucks were perfectly poised to blow it up and go tank. We would have been entering our 3rd year of a 4 to 5 year tank. Instead they signed Miller and decided to take another shot at the cup while the Sedins are under their current contract.

I couldn't even get that sentence out without laughing.

I find it funny that some fans won't except a tank but will put their entire faith in "if you get to the playoffs - who knows what will happen" strategy. I have a hard time understanding it.

You are the most negative person I have ever conversed with. Is it just an internet act or are you like this in real life? Everything is not awesome. Our team was terrible last year. I like the direction of the team and I am sorry that you aren't onside with it. You already bailed on the team ditching your tickets so why are you still so invested?
- CanuckDon

Maybe he's bald like you, and it bothers him, sours his outlook on life….or was that Scooby?

Look at his draft record since he's been here. He's had 3 drafts, 2 of which we can measure player performance since. He's had success with virtually every pick. Some will take longer to judge sure, but for the most part everything he seems to pick is solid. Look at the names in his picks, hell even JV and mcann made the team 1st year.

the trades are not as good but his drafting is amazing.

how many GMs have a draft record like that? Id say the only 1 comparable is Ken Holland
- SMBDragon

Don't you know how his mind works? Benning can be judged negatively on trades he has made but his draft picks can't be assessed positively because not enough time has elapsed. Error on the side of extreme negativity or you may be a fool.

Maybe he's bald like you, and it bothers him, sours his outlook on life….or was that Scooby?
- LeftCoaster

Scooby is bald, I have a fine head of hair