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kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 24 @ 6:40 PM ET
I hope Guds shows up and has a terrific year. All these guys saying the trade was horrible can slink back to the rock they came from.


- Garnie

100% agree with you on that point.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 24 @ 6:40 PM ET
Afternoon all, thank you Carol for another good blog.

I would like to say that I was impressed with the discussion in yesterdays blog, it was really good to see varying points of view on different subjects. Our "out of team" posters having input in a constructive manner, and holy sh!t there was no name calling or derogatory innuendos being throw around.

Two hopefully we can keep it going

- Makita

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 6:42 PM ET
The NHL as a whole is a money grab. If the average ticket price is around a regular season Leafs/Nucks game and the average game is as exciting/enjoyable as your average regular season Leafs/Nucks game, I don't see how one is particularly worse than the other.

It's more of a question of value for $ as opposed to whether or not it's a money grab because of course it's a money grab.

If it turns into the all-star game 2.0 then it is going to be a poor value money grab imo (some people would prob love the experience regardless).

If it is taken seriously by the players and turns into an exciting tournament then it is going to be a good value money grab.

- RonPielep


My main beef is that the young players team only takes from US/Canada. Weakening those two squads does not make for a good start to a new tourny IMO, it only makes Sweden and Russia stronger. I personally see Sweden as having a very good shot at winning because of it. I know it's only Forsberg and Landeskog, but still.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Aug 24 @ 6:43 PM ET
This is your second post that I've seen, can't say I share your opinion when the first thing you say is "they wouldn't have won with Fluery". What if debates are pretty lame, as the lack factual data of existing in reality. Let me guess: you're religious?
- neem55



No..it's just my opinion that Fleury's just not that good anymore and I was just kiddin about debating with you.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 6:45 PM ET
No..it's just my opinion that Fleury's just not that good anymore and I was just kiddin about debating with you.
- Garnie


haha. He's won a cup and he's waffled in the playoffs. He's one of those guys where who really knows. When he's on, he's very good. is he over the hill? at 31 years old I dont think so, but maybe.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Aug 24 @ 6:54 PM ET
That's the impression i want the GM to capitalize on. Hopefully get, like i said, Nichuskin and either Honka or Johns out of Big D... strike while the iron is hot and people have, what i believe, is an inflated opinion of Tanev.
- kaptaan


That's a lot to ask regardless of inflated opinions of Tanev.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 7:05 PM ET
That's a lot to ask regardless of inflated opinions of Tanev.
- RonPielep

Nill is not going to give up on Honka or Nishuchkin without significant return.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Aug 24 @ 7:05 PM ET
My main beef is that the young players team only takes from US/Canada. Weakening those two squads does not make for a good start to a new tourny IMO, it only makes Sweden and Russia stronger. I personally see Sweden as having a very good shot at winning because of it. I know it's only Forsberg and Landeskog, but still.
- neem55


I don't think team NA hurts Canada much, McDavid is the only real question mark.

Team NA definitely hurts USA a bit more but to me, missing U23 players is not a very impressive excuse. Especially when players like Kessel have still been left off. The USA have a deep enough pool to draw from, their downfall will be their stupid personnel decisions which is their own damn fault. They had much better options available in multiple positions.

Canada and USA are widely acknowledged as the two deepest powerhouses in hockey these days so I think being dependent on players over the age of 24 should not be much of an issue.

For what it's worth, if Canada disappoints and people try to blame that on team NA those people are straight up delusional.

If team USA disappoints and people try to blame team NA they should instead look at the options that were still available to them before they decided to go with Abdelkader and Jack Johnson

No real excuses either way in my opinion.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Aug 24 @ 7:05 PM ET
My main beef is that the young players team only takes from US/Canada. Weakening those two squads does not make for a good start to a new tourny IMO, it only makes Sweden and Russia stronger. I personally see Sweden as having a very good shot at winning because of it. I know it's only Forsberg and Landeskog, but still.
- neem55

Sweden is going to take this tourney.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Aug 24 @ 7:06 PM ET
Nill is not going to give up on Honka or Nishuchkin without significant return.
- neem55


Yep.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 7:09 PM ET
I don't think team NA hurts Canada much, McDavid is the only real question mark.

Team NA definitely hurts USA a bit more but to me, missing U23 players is not a very impressive excuse. Especially when players like Kessel have still been left off. The USA have a deep enough pool to draw from, their downfall will be their stupid personnel decisions which is their own damn fault. They had much better options available in multiple positions.

Canada and USA are widely acknowledged as the two deepest powerhouses in hockey these days so I think being dependent on players over the age of 24 should not be much of an issue.

For what it's worth, if Canada disappoints and people try to blame that on team NA those people are straight up delusional.

If team USA disappoints and people try to blame team NA they should instead look at the options that were still available to them before they decided to go with Abdelkader and Jack Johnson

No real excuses either way in my opinion.

- RonPielep

I'm pretty big on Ekblad, but other than that I agree. I just think it should be from all of the big four teams. Kessel I'm pretty sure has chosen not to go, pretty sure they aren't that deep. He would make team Canada IMO

edit: I just looked, youre right no Kessel by choice. that's ridiculous.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 7:12 PM ET
Sweden is going to take this tourney.
- thundachunk


I think that the olympics would have been closer with Backstrom in the final. Just rememeber Chunk, I told ya so and then yout had to get old winky out. There is a chance Schnieds just plays unreal for USA, He'll actully have a d in front of him!
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Aug 24 @ 7:25 PM ET
I think that the olympics would have been closer with Backstrom in the final. Just rememeber Chunk, I told ya so and then yout had to get old winky out. There is a chance Schnieds just plays unreal for USA, He'll actully have a d in front of him!
- neem55

Personally I am a fan of anything hockey but this tourney holds no real value for me. I think it is very possible that Sweden wins regardless of the winky.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 7:30 PM ET
Personally I am a fan of anything hockey but this tourney holds no real value for me. I think it is very possible that Sweden wins regardless of the winky.
- thundachunk


Ya I don't like the tourny either, if one or two of these guy's gets injured it's a bust IMO. The Olympics is another thing, a different stage and its not just for bragging right but a true representation of your country (or in Brett Hull's case, how much of a douche you are). Sweden's D is a force to be reckoned with.
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Aug 24 @ 7:32 PM ET
If we do keep Edler I hope he takes a step back and concentrates on his point production. The last couple of years he has had to do it all. If Tryamkin and Gudbrandson can take care of the shut down part of the game and let Edler concentrate on attacking.

More back door plays by Tanev and Edler to chip in on scoring. It would also be easier on his body/back to not be relied on for the big hits.

- VANTEL


Wait ....you have tanev who is supposed to be this shutdown God and you want a rookie to do his job so he can score more ?
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Aug 24 @ 7:33 PM ET
Sweden is going to take this tourney.
- thundachunk


These things are typically won by European teams in Europe and by Canada in North America
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 7:34 PM ET
Wait ....you have tanev who is supposed to be this shutdown God and you want a rookie to do his job so he can score more ?
- Redmile247


I thought Brodie was the shutdown god? Or did a season of getting scored on more than anyone in the league put that to rest?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 24 @ 7:34 PM ET
Sweden is going to take this tourney.
- thundachunk

Outside of the players does Sweden know they're in the tourney?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 24 @ 7:35 PM ET
Wait ....you have tanev who is supposed to be this shutdown God and you want a rookie to do his job so he can score more ?
- Redmile247



I can't wait to see your posts as we finish 12 points ahead of your team this year
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Aug 24 @ 7:35 PM ET
Wait ....you have tanev who is supposed to be this shutdown God and you want a rookie to do his job so he can score more ?
- Redmile247



Trade him already for a top six player or a honka/ johns prospect...
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Aug 24 @ 7:37 PM ET
I can't wait to see your posts as we finish 12 points ahead of your team this year
- VANTEL


Have you guys proposed a bet with each other yet?
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Aug 24 @ 7:41 PM ET
I can't wait to see your posts as we finish 12 points ahead of your team this year
- VANTEL




Ill be here ...I post win or lose ...12 points hey ...dang thats rough ...guess we would have the best chances at the draft lotto for this to occur

Seriously tho ...tanev is supposed to be your shutdown guy ...and has almost no offensive upside ...so you want to take a player away from an area he excels at and hope a rookie picks up the slack ? Why not just have tanev play shutdown and get tree to be offensive
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Aug 24 @ 7:42 PM ET
I thought Brodie was the shutdown god? Or did a season of getting scored on more than anyone in the league put that to rest?
- neem55


Yes Brodie is awful ...what a bum ...
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 24 @ 7:47 PM ET
Yes Brodie is awful ...what a bum ...
- Redmile247


I'm only joking, I actually think he is better than Gio. I forgot my winky face. no excuses behind them in net this year!
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 24 @ 7:47 PM ET
Ya I don't like the tourny either, if one or two of these guy's gets injured it's a bust IMO. The Olympics is another thing, a different stage and its not just for bragging right but a true representation of your country (or in Brett Hull's case, how much of a douche you are). Sweden's D is a force to be reckoned with.
- neem55



I don't have a problem with the format of this tournament and won't be crushed by the fact the Swiss, Germans, Slovaks and Latvians don't have teams. This was always going to be small and Team Europe was the only way to get those guys in. Team N.A. should be interesting.
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