I have friends who served, family that is serving, are sports fans, know what he did, and don't care. They understand what freedom of speech.

It really appears people don't understand, vets included in some cases, it's not called freedom of speech until I don't agree with you.
- Mentalorgasm5

That's not what I said. Not once did I say he doesn't have the right to do it. He just looks like an bumhole.

Liberal media confusing people not liking it to thinking that means he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

He has EVERY right, it's just disrespectful and he looks like an bumhole. Just like flag burners, they're protected by the constitution but they're bumholes in my view.

I would argue that a black athlete protesting against a disproportionate amount police violence towards the black community is well within their rights, and that they may have more of a clue about that than many of the non-black commentators who feel the need to share their opinions...
- lumlums

I will poop an eggroll if someone comes out with the "well I have a black friend so I know what I'm talking about" defense...

I disagree with any athlete taking a stand for something they don't have a clue about.

The St Louis Rams players with their hands up p!ssed me off too.

CK sitting down during the anthem doesn't bother me as much as his so called "reasons" do.

Respecting the anthem and the flag honors the hundred of thousands of people who sacrificed everything for you to have a voice.

Just because it's a constitutional right doesn't mean you don't look like an bumhole for doing it.
- Stripes77

So I think there's 2 things here...


1) is what he's doing ok?
I'd say ABSOLUTELY YES
He's not "talking during the anthem"
He's peacefully taking a stand to draw attn to an issue he feels is important


2) are his reasons for doing so valid?
Some would say yes. You obviously disagree.
It's very much up for debate



This form of protest is what ppl have been fighting for
It's what that flag stands for

that's the way I see it

I would argue that a black athlete protesting against a disproportionate amount police violence towards the black community is well within their rights, and that they may have more of a clue about that than many of the non-black commentators who feel the need to share their opinions...
- lumlums

Please! CK grew up in a rich white suburb with white parents.

Plus the violence against the black community against police is entirely the bigger issue. I'm all for holding cops to a higher standard but lets look at facts for a second before throwing that garbage my way.

Police officers get assaulted everyday by all races but where is the outrage?

I have a value vision coupon if you need one

I kid


sort of
- homiedclown

Lol

I really do see where you're coming from...
But are u upset that he's protesting?
Or are u upset at WHY he's protesting?

I think those are 2 very different aspects to this

I can use the freedom of speech crap and get fired 5 minutes after I clock in tonight
- homiedclown

Not trying to be a Richard, and I appreciate the display as much as anyone, everyone loves boobs, but all those pictures you posted earlier all violate the flag code just as much as Kaepernick not standing. And yes, that's a real thing. It's USC title 4 chapter 1.


https://www.law.cornell.e...u/uscode/text/4/chapter-1

That's not what I said. Not once did I say he doesn't have the right to do it. He just looks like an bumhole.

Liberal media confusing people not liking it to thinking that means he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

He has EVERY right, it's just disrespectful and he looks like an bumhole. Just like flag burners, they're protected by the constitution but they're bumholes in my view.
- Stripes77

It's not liberal media, I'm listening to what people are actually saying, or seeing what they are posting. I've read right in this forum, he shouldn't be allowed to do that.

He is doing it for a purpose, I see so much more done during the anthem that is done with no purpose, is truly disrespectful, and no one says anything.

I will poop an eggroll if someone comes out with the "well I have a black friend so I know what I'm talking about" defense...
- jochfr

Yeah, I feel that as a straight, white male who is not of a minority religion, that my role in discussions of inequality is really just to shut my mouth and open my ears...

I think you guys are all missing the point.

Right now there are actual areas of dispute among the borders of the USA and Canada. And yet we stand up at hockey games and many of us sing BOTH national anthems. How can we possible stand up for this when so few of us have dual citizenship?
Pick a side and lets fight it out!

While a military resolution seems nuts we should clearly create a method to close these issues on the ice. Have we all forgotten the Pig War of 1859????

Please! CK grew up in a rich white suburb with white parents.

Plus the violence against the black community against police is entirely the bigger issue. I'm all for holding cops to a higher standard but lets look at facts for a second before throwing that garbage my way.

Police officers get assaulted everyday by all races but where is the outrage?
- Stripes77

Okay so since he grew up in a rich area he doesn't have the right to protest? You're upbringing or color doesn'r matter....

And being a police office is dangerous, but they signed up for it. Unarmed blacked teens, didn't sign up to be black and shot out, in several cases, no reason.

I think you guys are all missing the point.

Right now there are actual areas of dispute among the borders of the USA and Canada. And yet we stand up at hockey games and many of us sing BOTH national anthems. How can we possible stand up for this when so few of us have dual citizenship?
Pick a side and lets fight it out!

While a military resolution seems nuts we should clearly create a method to close these issues on the ice. Have we all forgotten the Pig War of 1859????
- Queenie_5_hole

I sing both

I actually like the Canadians better. Ours is too bombastic and poetic, the Canadian one gives me the feeling that I want to go f$&@ something up.

Please! CK grew up in a rich white suburb with white parents.

Plus the violence against the black community against police is entirely the bigger issue. I'm all for holding cops to a higher standard but lets look at facts for a second before throwing that garbage my way.

Police officers get assaulted everyday by all races but where is the outrage?
- Stripes77

That doesn't take away from the fact that, himself, is not white.

And violence against the black community is exactly what he is protesting, and the fact that there are cops who are not being held to the higher standard.

Now, the vast majority of police officers are outstanding individuals, but there needs to be lots of investigation into the training that officers receive, as in many cases it's significantly shorter in duration than the training that people receive for more menial occupations, such as the training given to cut somebody's hair, for instance.

As for assaults on police officers, that's a separate (though not unrelated) issue. Are there stats for this? And is there a correlation between whatever those stats may say, and the number of excessive force complaints against cops when dealing with people of colour? The fact that there isn't a transparent investigation into these questions is one of the issues at hand...

Sweet baby James!

I've been on the phone with the nimrods over at Xbox for the last 2 hours. I called there at 1:19 and just now hung up, without a resolution. They have to call me back to give me a number when their system update finishes in an hour, at least.
- Wetbandit1

That's crazy. You should have phoned me first.

Here's the solution:

Put down your stupid toys, go outside and get some exercise.

You stupid fat frank.

Please! CK grew up in a rich white suburb with white parents.

Plus the violence against the black community against police is entirely the bigger issue. I'm all for holding cops to a higher standard but lets look at facts for a second before throwing that garbage my way.

Police officers get assaulted everyday by all races but where is the outrage?
- Stripes77

Probably because they knowingly signed up for a dangerous job.

But it's not that dangerous. The most dangerous jobs in America are: fishing, logging, pilots, farmers and ranchers, miners, roofers, garbage collectors, drivers, industrial machinery installation/maintenance, and down there at number 10 cops. A job where you're likely to be assaulted. If a cashier at a grocery store gets assaulted then there's outrage. If a crossing guard gets assaulted then there's outrage, but if a cop gets assaulted, well that's just the dangers of the job. If they get killed that's a different story. Then there absolutely is outrage.

That's crazy. You should have phoned me first.

Here's the solution:

Put down your stupid toys, go outside and get some exercise.

You stupid fat frank.
- Atomic Wedgie

Are you for real? Go back in your hole.

God forbid their services should actually work as advertised and paid for, but no, you're right, I should just go outside. It's only money right?

I sing both

I actually like the Canadians better. Ours is too bombastic and poetic, the Canadian one gives me the feeling that I want to go f$&@ something up.
- Mentalorgasm5

Same here.

I'm an Englishman who is a Canadian citizen and currently residing in California (moving to Washing state soon ). Whenever I go to games (usually Sharks/A's) I'll sing both if both are played. The US isn't my country of birth of citizenship, but we're all fighting for the same thing here (more or less, anyway)...

That doesn't take away from the fact that, himself, is not white.

And violence against the black community is exactly what he is protesting, and the fact that there are cops who are not being held to the higher standard.

Now, the vast majority of police officers are outstanding individuals, but there needs to be lots of investigation into the training that officers receive, as in many cases it's significantly shorter in duration than the training that people receive for more menial occupations, such as the training given to cut somebody's hair, for instance.

As for assaults on police officers, that's a separate (though not unrelated) issue. Are there stats for this? And is there a correlation between whatever those stats may say, and the number of excessive force complaints against cops when dealing with people of colour? The fact that there isn't a transparent investigation into these questions is one of the issues at hand...
- lumlums

I don't even see what it matters what color he is?

Are you for real? Go back in your hole.

God forbid their services should actually work as advertised and payed for, but no, you're right, I should just go outside. It's only money right?
- Wetbandit1

Wedgie is one of the jokers of our board. He's a good guy, but don't go taking him too seriously

I don't even see what it matters what color he is?
- jdfitz77

No, the other guy said that he grew up with white parents in a richer neighbourhood, which I assume was to diminish his right to protest the issue...

I sing both

I actually like the Canadians better. Ours is too bombastic and poetic, the Canadian one gives me the feeling that I want to go f$&@ something up.
- Mentalorgasm5

The Canadian anthem sucks.

Believe it or not, we have a better one: The Maple Leaf Forever.

Same here.

I'm an Englishman who is a Canadian citizen and currently residing in California (moving to Washing state soon ). Whenever I go to games (usually Sharks/A's) I'll sing both if both are played. The US isn't my country of birth of citizenship, but we're all fighting for the same thing here (more or less, anyway)...
- lumlums

Out of respect for both countries, I will merely lip-synch both anthems.

Because I am tone-deaf.

No, seriously. My voice could break glass.

Out of respect for both countries, I will merely lip-synch both anthems.

Because I am tone-deaf.

No, seriously. My voice could break glass.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wanna go and sing next to Lupul? It would help to solve at least one of the Leafs roster issues...

The enlistment oath, as the its title denotes is different for enlisted and officers.

That kid has the right to be an unappreciative idiot and take crazy stances. But since he did so as a public figure he must also endure the public backlash.

Of course people are quoting our oath at this time though many of them did not have the necessary courage or selfless service to sign up. Because had you fought in a war you would most likely have lost a brother and then you would grow a true appreciation for what freedom means. Also being in the crap holes of the world you again appreciate the country you reside. When you sit at a table in a garden drinkng chai with a man who lost legs and telling you thanks for being here and then goes on to describe outrages they witnessed being committed by Saddam and his sons. Little girls being snatched up in black cars and any father angry enough to stand up disappearing, never to be seen again.

That's not what I said. Not once did I say he doesn't have the right to do it. He just looks like an bumhole.

Liberal media confusing people not liking it to thinking that means he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

He has EVERY right, it's just disrespectful and he looks like an bumhole. Just like flag burners, they're protected by the constitution but they're bumholes in my view.
- Stripes77

Like Right Wing media confusing being ok with him protesting to calling him a hero?

Why are we arguing when Genie Bouchard is playing tennis in a neon yellow dress?

Priorities!