Stupidity always surprises me.
- MaximumBone

You must be new here.

And by "here", I mean part of the human race.

I'm not a NYR fan so I'll leave them to defend their own squad. What I do know is that their fan base by and large, are far more optimistic about their upcoming season than you seem to be.
And while I and everyone else will admit that Nash is coming off a less than stellar season, the year before that he posted 40+ goals and damn near 70 points. Not really a down year as you say, and I'd hardly write him off after one bad year. Look where that got us with Dubnyk.
- Wildschwein

It was not one bad year. As he failed to reach 60 points in 3 of the last 4 seasons.

I'll consider being in the hunt right till the end a successful season .
That said; if we're in that position, it'll probably be pretty disappointing to miss.

I just think the team has been so bad for so long that Any amount of tangible success (not bottom feeding) could be good for them moving forward .
But yeah, totally over the excuses (injuries to key players killed us last year- but every team goes through them and the good ones make it work anyway). And as Matt said, Not interested in incremental improvement or moral victories anymore either

Another brutal year and blow the whole fukin thing up .

They don't like my people over there.
- LittleRickyV2

Valid point, sir

I'm not a NYR fan so I'll leave them to defend their own squad. What I do know is that their fan base by and large, are far more optimistic about their upcoming season than you seem to be.
And while I and everyone else will admit that Nash is coming off a less than stellar season, the year before that he posted 40+ goals and damn near 70 points. Not really a down year as you say, and I'd hardly write him off after one bad year. Look where that got us with Dubnyk.
- Wildschwein

I like Nash and I watch the Rangers. My best friend is a huge fan so I see too many of their games. Nash has been taking heat for a while. He did show on the score board, especially two years ago when St. Louis did good. Even Stepan looked better then. He doesn't seem to have the fight in him that he once did. They show him coasting far from the puck on many occasions. I hope I am wrong, I hope Nash isn't done, he is a big Canadian player that plays a style of hockey that is fun to watch.

Betting odds have them slipping as well. Maybe not bottom 5 like I say but I might be making more out of the slippery slope they seem on. Just a lot of teams in the East got better and the Rangers really didn't. I think losing Yandle offsets anything Vesey bring to the table (tough to compare a d to a f but Yandle is a proven commodity and right now Vesey is Justin Schultz in my mind).

I'll consider being in the hunt right till the end a successful season .
That said; if we're in that position, it'll probably be pretty disappointing to miss.

I just think the team has been so bad for so long that Any amount of tangible success (not bottom feeding) could be good for them moving forward .
But yeah, totally over the excuses (injuries to key players killed us last year- but every team goes through them and the good ones make it work anyway). And as Matt said, Not interested in incremental improvement or moral victories anymore either

Another brutal year and blow the whole fukin thing up .
- HB77

Can't help but think of the last time we were really in the hunt. The Oilers did some amazing moves before their playoff run. They were on the bubble and still went all out.

Grabbing Samsonov (who was good back then and coincidently enough we traded a 2nd round pick in that deal that was used to draft Lucic).

Roloson, who obviously worked out (the picks we gave up didn't for the Wild)

Spacek in January for nothing and he was decent back then

Tarnstrom who was good

At the time this was a new Starter, 2 top 4 defenders and Samsonov who at the time had 37 points already that season and went on to add 16 regular season and 15 playoff for the Oil. By anyone's definition a solid top 6 winger.

I can only imagine what Chiarelli would do if the Oil tried to grab talent for a run. Or more to the point, try and not succeed at doing.

Can't help but think of the last time we were really in the hunt. The Oilers did some amazing moves before their playoff run. They were on the bubble and still went all out.

Grabbing Samsonov (who was good back then and coincidently enough we traded a 2nd round pick in that deal that was used to draft Lucic).

Roloson, who obviously worked out (the picks we gave up didn't for the Wild)

Spacek in January for nothing and he was decent back then

Tarnstrom who was good

At the time this was a new Starter, 2 top 4 defenders and Samsonov who at the time had 37 points already that season and went on to add 16 regular season and 15 playoff for the Oil. By anyone's definition a solid top 6 winger.

I can only imagine what Chiarelli would do if the Oil tried to grab talent for a run. Or more to the point, try and not succeed at doing.
- Hall Fan

i really dont understand the point of the post in relation to today.

but anyways, tarnstrom was not good. he was scratched a bunch in the playoffs. a depth guy at best and certainly nowhere near a top 4 defender

And guys that don't play that type of style, have an injury free career? Generalization and discrimination based on a narrow minded view. Well done.
- leonkennedy

David backes is As similar a player to lucic as there is in the Nhl.
Lucic will be in year 5 of his contract when he's the same ages as David is now.
And backes just had an injury free quality year and a great playoff


So yeah, about those generalizations......

i really dont understand the point of the post in relation to today.

but anyways, tarnstrom was not good. he was scratched a bunch in the playoffs. a depth guy at best and certainly nowhere near a top 4 defender
- HB77

Really. The whole blog is about the Oilers possibility of a playoff run. You posted a comment regarding their ability to play till the final game. Most teams that try for a run add players at the second half of the year and many of them at the trade deadline. The Oil have cap space and need which logically would mean that if they are trying to go for a run they will add rental(s) for it. I went back to the last season Oilers were actually buyers and not sellers.

Tarnstrom did turn out to be a bust, but much like Roloson, the value of the trade wasn't known at the time. It was still a good pick up of a guy who should have been top 4. He had 52 points in his last NHL season. A 50 point dman I would think is a top 4 addition by any definition. Now he didn't turn out but if the Oilers were to add another guy this year that got 50-55 points in his last NHL season, I know I would be happy.

lololllllllllllzzzzzzzzzz

David backes is As similar a player to lucic as there is in the Nhl.
Lucic will be in year 5 of his contract when he's the same ages as David is now.
And backes just had an injury free quality year and a great playoff


So yeah, about those generalizations......
- HB77

I actually couldn't agree more with the comparison. Backes a competitor. Rumor was the Blues were not happy partying with him. Came down to cap space or I am sure he would still be there. Guys like that are hard to replace. I hope it is not just a paper comparison. I hope Lucic brings that level of compete. He is in a really good position to offer a skilled, physical and veteran presence to a young team. He plays a physical game that I hope Draisaitl can develop. He is a big boy that can muscle his way to the net. If he plays the body like Backes, he will be the Oilers second best player.

Rutts was cute as a little terrorist
- LittleRickyV2

Yak know what.......actually if ya drop about 50lbs off this fat little (frank) and change the hair a little bit that could be me back in the 80's

Really. The whole blog is about the Oilers possibility of a playoff run. You posted a comment regarding their ability to play till the final game. Most teams that try for a run add players at the second half of the year and many of them at the trade deadline. The Oil have cap space and need which logically would mean that if they are trying to go for a run they will add rental(s) for it. I went back to the last season Oilers were actually buyers and not sellers.

Tarnstrom did turn out to be a bust, but much like Roloson, the value of the trade wasn't known at the time. It was still a good pick up of a guy who should have been top 4. He had 52 points in his last NHL season. A 50 point dman I would think is a top 4 addition by any definition. Now he didn't turn out but if the Oilers were to add another guy this year that got 50-55 points in his last NHL season, I know I would be happy.
- Hall Fan

Who cares what he "shoulda" been?
Or how many points he had before or after ? btw, he didn't have 52 pts his last nhl season. He had 14 in 50 games in 08.
He also only had 14 in 55 games with the oilers and pens in 06.
He had 52 pts years 2 years before that.

Long story short, it's only a good pickup if the guy actually helps your team after you picked him up. Which he didn't in the oilers case.

Essentially he was a top 4 dman on the worst team in the league which was probably one of the reasons they were so bad.

As far as the rest of it, yeah sure, if teams are in the hunt they sometimes try and bolster their lineup. Common knowledge.

I'm sorry, I'M SORRY.

Let me ask the Almighty Karlsson for forgiveness and for hope!


- EdmHockeyMan

hahaha.

Yeah...... would be amazing to see him and McDavid on the same team.

It's going to have to be by committee. I don't like the acquisition of Larsson..... (obviously could turn into a solid #2 guy... but you know)...I guess Klefbolm is coming around offensively but I don't know - I haven't seen him enough to evaluate him as top pairing D-man. Nurse projects to be a solid 2nd pairing shut down guy right? I wonder if Sanheim or Provorov would (have been) be worth targetting

What lines could look like if Ryan Murray was taken instead of Yaks (obviously that might have meant oilers not placing where they did to get McDavid, etc):

2017/2018

Lucic - McDavid - Eberle/JP
Draisaitl - NugentHopkins - Puljujarvi/Ebs

Nurse - Murray
Klefbolm - Larsson
Davidson - Sekera
?

Despite me being a Flames fan, the Hall-Larsson trade was one of few trades where I could say though they lost the trade, they left a better team.
Looking at the roster, assuming Talbot doesn't implode, and you aren't plagued by injuries, I can see the Oilers making the playoffs.

Same with the Flames obviously. It leaves a couple strong teams out. Kings and Ducks oddly enough I think won't make it, or Pacific take the wildcard and Kings make it.

Playoff team or in the race til the very end is all that is acceptable.
Fans & new arena r deserving of success.
The following season is playoffs or better nothing else.

GL

Who cares what he "shoulda" been?
Or how many points he had before or after ? btw, he didn't have 52 pts his last nhl season. He had 14 in 50 games in 08.
He also only had 14 in 55 games with the oilers and pens in 06.
He had 52 pts years 2 years before that.

Long story short, it's only a good pickup if the guy actually helps your team after you picked him up. Which he didn't in the oilers case.

Essentially he was a top 4 dman on the worst team in the league which was probably one of the reasons they were so bad.

As far as the rest of it, yeah sure, if teams are in the hunt they sometimes try and bolster their lineup. Common knowledge.
- HB77

From the stand point of evaluating the GM, which was my point, it absolutely matters what the guy should have been capable of. I would rather see the Oilers grab a guy that should be top 4 (especially when there is no real cost) than to not grab anyone. Grabbing Tarnstrom was a good move, it just didn't turn out. Just like no one in their right mind would have expected Pisani would lead the team that playoff run.

Obviously I was only commenting on his last NHL season before the Oilers picked him up. Yes he played in the Sweedish Elite right before that so I had to go two seasons back but there is no reason point out how his career died in the following years.

The point was never that rentals happen. It was about Chiarelli's ability to A. Make a move to acquire a decent rental and 2. His ability to know what a good player looks like. If the Oilers do a push at the end of the year I am not optimistic they will get the support from management at the trade deadline and right now, at least on paper, this team needs to add a few key players to make any sort of playoff run.

If Pulju and Nurse both make it full-time the roster should feature some good size with Lucic, Maroon, Kassian, Nurse, Pulju, Pouliot, maybe even Gryba.
- RonPielep

I would guess he's not needed now.

What lines could look like if Ryan Murray was taken instead of Yaks (obviously that might have meant oilers not placing where they did to get McDavid, etc):

2017/2018

Lucic - McDavid - Eberle/JP
Draisaitl - NugentHopkins - Puljujarvi/Ebs

Nurse - Murray
Klefbolm - Larsson
Davidson - Sekera
?
- AlfieisKing

Nurse on pair 1

I would guess he's not needed now.
- Garnie

Why?

Why?
- Xaos22

Lucic - Maroon...I don't see the need for more....plus he's more of a meathead than a hockey player.

just my opinion of course

And this http://youtu.be/UQNM4z5HiRw

David backes is As similar a player to lucic as there is in the Nhl.
Lucic will be in year 5 of his contract when he's the same ages as David is now.
And backes just had an injury free quality year and a great playoff


So yeah, about those generalizations......
- HB77

- laughs2907

The youth of today are a bunch of self entitled pussies.