Oh and one other thing. You can say all you want certain stats are not important to you, but that does not mean they aren't important and should not be added. There are political things not important to me, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed. To say that it's not important to YOU and not include them is very short sighted. Not to mention using stats for bonino is useless since half the year he was a 2nd line center getting second line minutes and second line stats. The more I think about it your article is really flawed.

I'll start worrying about the Rangers sucking once they actually do suck
- rangerdanger94

uhhhh...I hate to be the one to break it to ya

Corsi, and any related corsi stats have always been flawed. There is tons of false data in it, that can never be overcome. The science of it is reasonably sound, but the data collection is where the issues are. Corsi is a team stat, not an individual player stat.
- MJL

Tanner thinks you're wrong.

He doesn't understand the concept of qualitative stats having a grey area in terms of quantification. Not surprising.

These stats are relatively new and Tanner is just a fanboy convinced he has some sort of angle that others don't. And he's thick enough to not comprehend when hundreds of people try to explain to him why he's making himself look foolish.

There's no point. He's not going to listen. He has proven an absence of reading comprehension skills. They're just not there.

Tanner thinks you're wrong.

He doesn't understand the concept of qualitative stats having a grey area in terms of quantification. Not surprising.

These stats are relatively new and Tanner is just a fanboy convinced he has some sort of angle that others don't. And he's thick enough to not comprehend when hundreds of people try to explain to him why he's making himself look foolish.

There's no point. He's not going to listen. He has proven an absence of reading comprehension skills. They're just not there.
- fry

OK buddy, whatever you want.

Please tell me how Backes is a good third line centre? Show your work, I did.
- James_Tanner

The basis of your analysis revolves entirely around advanced stats. It proves how much of a flawed system it is at the moment. There's a lot more to hockey than possession. You aren;t taking into account the other facets of the game. As an all around player, Backes is easily the best of the players you listed. That's assuming thats where he even plays this year, our 3rd line centre right now is Ryan Spooner.

I get that your ridiculous analysis is just to try and draw attention and traffic, but you lose a lot of credibility when that analysis is just flat out inaccurate. (See: Steve Simmons)

I don't even know what you're on about here. What are these numbers and what do they mean? I've seen CF% expressed as say 54% but what are these numbers you're using?

I can tell you two thins no one argues about though 1) Brett Seabrook sucks and 2) Nino Nieterieder is among the best defensive forwards in hockey.
- James_Tanner

Can you explain to me why so many of the Blackhawks suck/are over rated by people/GMs/fans/opponents that play the game...they have managed to win 3 championships since 2010 with said players?

You may want to go back and check your numbers
- Rinosaur

http://public.tableau.com...count=yes&:showVizHome=no

OK buddy, whatever you want.
- James_Tanner

This response reaffirms the points made in my post.

I'll start worrying about the Rangers sucking once they actually do suck
- rangerdanger94

Ok child I promise they will suck this year

Who made you the franking window expert?
- rangerdanger94

Your team is soft and small and you have no prospects. Good luck

Wrong again. Please answer me this just once and I'll leave you alone: Are you serious? Or are you like someone I know in real life just screwing with me on here?

I have seen you be wrong 99% of the time, ignore any thing anyone says to you and put forth arguments that are just embarrassing, but I've never, not even once, seen you make a cogent point.

Just let me in on the secret, even if it's by PM. I have to know if you're real or like some kind of satirical genious.
- James_Tanner

James, I would be happy to debate you on the actual subject matter, publicly, but you won't do that, instead, you'll reply as you did above. Anything I have to say to you, is on the record.

I'm immune to your insults. I just want to talk about the sport, and the subject matter. When you're man enough to do so, I'm available.

Perhaps it's because you're uneducated, and I'll remind you of a statement you made just yesterday.

"Uneducated people tend to think anyone who doesn't tell them exactly what they want to hear is a troll. "

Ok child I promise they will suck this year
- CanuckDon

Henrik Lundqvist

Your team is soft and small and you have no prospects. Good luck
- CanuckDon

Henrik Lundqvist

James, I would be happy to debate you on the actual subject matter, but you won't do that, instead, you'll reply as you did above.

James, I'm immune to your insults. I just want to talk about the sport, and the subject matter. When you're man enough to do so, I'm available.

Perhaps it's because you're uneducated, and I'll remind you of a statement you made just yesterday.

"Uneducated people tend to think anyone who doesn't tell them exactly what they want to hear is a troll. "
- MJL

Henrik Lundqvist
- rangerdanger94

An old and fragile goalie is your answer? Yikes

Henrik Lundqvist
- rangerdanger94

So you're the new Habs? Congrats

Anyways, if you think Kruger is good, please tell me why. I see a guy who got 4 points and is bad at defense. For the record, there are players who get tons of bad zone starts and are actually effective. Kruger is not one of them.

There are players who play unusually hard QOC and have good stats. Kruger is not one of them.

It's fascinating to me how you somehow find value in zone starts and QOC when you are defending your position, yet explicitly left them off your initial "analysis."

And I quote: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I fully disclose that I don't care about things like face-offs, quality of competition and zone starts."
- devils_mike

James, now for the third time asking, can you address this please? You explicitly state in your blog that zone starts and QOC aren't important to you, but then use them as evidence in defending your position when called into question. I'd like to understand how you justify that.

Because 80% of the game is played at 5v5 and if you play PK or PP it doesn't really matter what "line" you're on anyways.
- James_Tanner

So, because 80% of the game is played 5v5, that's somehow justification to discount the data from the other 20% of the game?

James, now for the third time asking, can you address this please? You explicitly state in your blog that zone starts and QOC aren't important to you, but then use them as evidence in defending your position when called into question. I'd like to understand how you justify that.
- devils_mike

Because he doesn't know what he is talking about. He only uses a small portion of stats, states other stats are not important to him ( the all knowing) and then will use those stats to try helping him. I guess because he needs to try sounding smarter than he is, he thinks the readers are also not smart. He proves that common sense is not so common.

I tried to crowd-source for the best option for each team, where were you Friday?

Either way, the project shows Nelson is not a great fit there. Tavares-Strome-Grabovski down the middle?
- James_Tanner

Grabbo' career may be over

Because he doesn't know what he is talking about. He only uses a small portion of stats, states other stats are not important to him ( the all knowing) and then will use those stats to try helping him. I guess because he needs to try sounding smarter than he is, he thinks the readers are also not smart. He proves that common sense is not so common.
- cornnation

Yeah, I know.

But, I'm fascinated to hear his response to his own contradiction.

uhhhh...I hate to be the one to break it to ya
- Nucker101

who is ahead of the Rags in the east aside from PIT, WSH, and TBL?

Pretty sure Sweden also benched OEL in that tournament. At the time many people said "If OEL is really among the best player in the world, Tanner, then why did Sweden leave him off?"

Whose laughing now? He's unanimously considered a top 5 defenseman, just like I said all along.
- James_Tanner

OEL is a very good Dman. But he's not unanimously considered a top 5 in the NHL, at all. Many do, many don't.

After Doughty, then Karlsson, there is a group mostly consisting of Hedman, Duncan Keith, Subban, Letang, and some would even say Burns, Suter, and Klingberg, along with OEL, that, depending on who you talk to, would be in their top 5. He's probably in the top 10, top 5 is pretty iffy.

You really have to stop treating CORSIRel like it's some sort of one stop stat on who the best dman out there are. You really don't seem to understand, it's going to be signficantly easier to get a higher CORSIRel on a terrible possession team. There is NO single stat that will definitively tell you how good a defenseman is.