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Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Sep 11 @ 11:06 PM ET
Meat and two veg...?
- lumlums


Triple meat
H8terade
Joined: 06.20.2014

Sep 11 @ 11:12 PM ET
its just a small sample size so you can't take anything from it but the fact he has ben so hard line if you have bad possession numbers youre a bad player is just stubborn. Its never as simple as that
- DDM-Coga


False. Hero charts make everything simple.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 11 @ 11:14 PM ET
Triple meat
- Mordecai

Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Sep 12 @ 12:00 AM ET
It really isn't the same thing, at all. If someone is trying to discredit me, and their argument is "all NHL GMs passed over that player, therefore he is bad" then that is an appeal to authority and is a terrible argument.

I'm just saying you can look it up. I'm not arguing against anyone. Of course I'm going to site my sources or whatever if I want to make an argument, but all I am doing here is (frustratingly) saying that if you don't believe me about Gardiner, then please look it up.

I know you're the king of "gotcha" on the internet, but you truly suck at it. Yesterday you didn't know what a pedant was, and today you don't know what a hypocrite is.

You just embarrass yourself. I mean, you come to my blog, read my stuff, then rag on me. I don't know you, you're just some anonymous guy who consistently acts like a jerk.

And as the ultimate insult, I think MLJ and Garnie know more about hockey that you.

- James_Tanner


Hilarious, you're a clown. Honk honk.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

Sep 12 @ 12:07 AM ET
That's false. The developers of advanced stats don't even believe that. Making that statement only further reinforces that you don't understand analytics. A good player on a bad team, can have bad statistics. Vice versa, a bad player on a good team can have good stats (Runblad). Someone who is such a believer in analytics, should at least have a grasp on the basic fundamentals.



http://www.si.com/nhl/201...-defense-hockey-analytics

- MJL


This is actually a good read.

It also helps show why it's foolish to blindly follow statistics and assume they are correct despite evidence to the contrary.

Even "the experts in analytics" apparently admit hockey statistics aren't perfect yet and can't show us everything - maybe one day, but not yet.
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Sep 12 @ 12:59 AM ET
I unblocked the ads on HB on one occasion and was spammed so hard I smoked a cigarette afterwards.
- Misterbator


Sounds like you were at the barrel with the oilers logo on it. Bazinga Oilers fans
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Sep 12 @ 1:02 AM ET
What a stupid ass response. Way to bring nothing to the table dumbass!
- H8terade


Hey now... In all fairness usually I do! That was more of a shot at my Newfie buddies ok?!!
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Sep 12 @ 1:11 AM ET
Man up James. It's exactly the same, and you did exactly what you repeatedly criticize others for. Who is MLJ?
- MJL


The good twin. Like, your Danny Divito and MLJ is Arnold Schwarzenegger. Hehee.
Cloud
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 06.20.2012

Sep 12 @ 5:07 AM ET
James..how do you feel that Matthews stinks at fancy stats?



whats your hot take here...is he good or not good?

- DDM-Coga


Next week on HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Thoughts on DDM-Coga ripping Tanner a new a-hole with fancy stats
Not_Yan
St Louis Blues
Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes.
Joined: 04.19.2013

Sep 12 @ 7:00 AM ET
It really isn't the same thing, at all. If someone is trying to discredit me, and their argument is "all NHL GMs passed over that player, therefore he is bad" then that is an appeal to authority and is a terrible argument.

I'm just saying you can look it up. I'm not arguing against anyone. Of course I'm going to site my sources or whatever if I want to make an argument, but all I am doing here is (frustratingly) saying that if you don't believe me about Gardiner, then please look it up.

I know you're the king of "gotcha" on the internet, but you truly suck at it. Yesterday you didn't know what a pedant was, and today you don't know what a hypocrite is.

You just embarrass yourself. I mean, you come to my blog, read my stuff, then rag on me. I don't know you, you're just some anonymous guy who consistently acts like a jerk.

And as the ultimate insult, I think MLJ and Garnie know more about hockey that you.

- James_Tanner


MJL
hawk35
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NF
Joined: 08.26.2009

Sep 12 @ 7:19 AM ET
It will be hilarious when they finally backtrack and realize QOC is the most important ingredient...until then we have to listen to this bullpoop about Tanner Glass = Sid Crosby. Jake Gardiner gets buried on the bench every time a #1 line hits the ice....I wonder why.

- Garnie


Because the stupid NHL coaches like Babcock don't know squat and they didn't ask Tanner his input before making such an idiot decision!!!!

Geez, don't you know ANYTHING!!!!!!

icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

Sep 12 @ 8:48 AM ET
I laugh almost every time someone says that plus/minus is the worst stat.

It's just a number based on what actually happened.
SameOld
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.25.2010

Sep 12 @ 8:53 AM ET
You say that about me, and I guess your saying it about the entire group of people who are looking at hockey analyticaly because Gardiner being considered a top pairing dman is pretty much unanimous among those people.
- James_Tanner


And yet there is probably not a single head coach in the league who would agree. I guess all those analytics people know better?
SameOld
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.25.2010

Sep 12 @ 8:57 AM ET
This is hilarious. You think the millions of people who know how to look at stats only look at one thing and make a declaration? Anyone who compares the numbers all the way across the board will realize that Subban is way, way better than Weber.
- James_Tanner


Ahahah except for Mike Babcock and the Team Canada management.

You're being absurd again. You can't just look at the stats of a guy who didn't sniff Team Canada and say he is better than probably the first defenseman they called because the analytics say so.
Turchet
Joined: 01.28.2016

Sep 12 @ 8:58 AM ET
Totally should have started Cory or Quick, good point. O wait, actually Cory put up below a .900 in his start and Quick played an amazing game, never mind then. Having said that I do myself think Schneider is a better goalie, but wouldn't say it's a no brainer. Had to put it an insult because you insist on writing click bait so I'll insist on taking small jabs.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 12 @ 9:26 AM ET
So, Connor McDavid will not be the best player in the NHL???
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Sep 12 @ 9:35 AM ET
[quote=James_Tanner]1. Don't conflate 5 guys in the comments section with the millions who read and love me.

There isn't even a million people who come to this website Your living in a dream world James.

- Steele004



It's called a "joke".
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Sep 12 @ 9:37 AM ET
I'm guessing you hate Forrest Gump too!
- H8terade


I really honestly do hate Forest Gump - what a pandering, sentimental piece of crap with a terrible message.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Sep 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
I really have to wonder if anyone who props up the defensive play of Gardiner even watched a single Leafs game in the past two years. I love watching his work on the PP, but in his own end? Marincin makes me cringe less, and that says it all
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Sep 12 @ 9:51 AM ET
Triple meat
- Mordecai


thats my nickname back in the day. TripsMeats
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Sep 12 @ 9:52 AM ET
Next week on HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Thoughts on DDM-Coga ripping Tanner a new a-hole with fancy stats
- Cloud


Yes...Lets do it Tamsy
Tanner: Team Finland
Joined: 09.12.2016

Sep 12 @ 10:36 AM ET
I really have to wonder if anyone who props up the defensive play of Gardiner even watched a single Leafs game in the past two years. I love watching his work on the PP, but in his own end? Marincin makes me cringe less, and that says it all
- leafsfann



There are few more effective players in the NHL by their defensive contributions. Instead of just assuming I am wrong - which I am not - you guys are free to look it up.

Like I said, this a unanimous opinion among advanced stats aficionados.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Sep 12 @ 11:04 AM ET
I laugh almost every time someone says that plus/minus is the worst stat.

It's just a number based on what actually happened.

- icedog97



This is cute.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Sep 12 @ 11:07 AM ET
I really honestly do hate Forest Gump - what a pandering, sentimental piece of crap with a terrible message.
- James_Tanner


Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 12 @ 11:11 AM ET
There are few more effective players in the NHL by their defensive contributions. Instead of just assuming I am wrong - which I am not - you guys are free to look it up.

Like I said, this a unanimous opinion among advanced stats aficionados.

- JTanner


Mostly just some guys saying gardiner is great based on comparing him to a bunch of crappy teammates.

http://thehockeywriters.c...ow-good-is-jake-gardiner/
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