http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/varones-4-points-power-senators-pre-season-win-maple-leafs/



- Sabresfan-365

Which Varone was that? The first or the second?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/varones-4-points-power-senators-pre-season-win-maple-leafs/



- Sabresfan-365

1 point for each of them.

Worst goaltender ever (tm) allowed 1 goal in 40 minutes.
- stashu

Wasn't going up against much firepower though

I hope I'm wrong about him

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/varones-4-points-power-senators-pre-season-win-maple-leafs/



- Sabresfan-365

Which one?

Best I could find

23 Pronger was at 27:18
27 Lidstrom was at 27:14
25 Zhitnik was at 26:52
21 Ohlund was at 22:42 at 22 he was at 26:04
23 Kenny Jonsson was at 25:05
20-23 Redden was at 20:03, 23:27, 23:43, 25:17
19-22 Derek Morris was at 19:22, 20:44, 24:51, 25:51


Sorry NHL.com only goes back as far as 97/98 and wanted to get a wider spectrum than just HOFers.


Chelios at 36 was at 30:12 and led the league.

Best I could find

23 Pronger was at 27:18
27 Lidstrom was at 27:14
25 Zhitnik was at 26:52
21 Ohlund was at 22:42 at 22 he was at 26:04
23 Kenny Jonsson was at 25:05
20-23 Redden was at 20:03, 23:27, 23:43, 25:17
19-22 Derek Morris was at 19:22, 20:44, 24:51, 25:51


Sorry NHL.com only goes back as far as 97/98 and wanted to get a wider spectrum than just HOFers.
- dadeadhead

So, not really very many at 21 years old.

Defensemen usually peak around 25-26 ish forwards are 24-25. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking players peak in their mid-20's.

So, not really very many at 21 years old.

Defensemen usually peak around 25-26 ish forwards are 24-25. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking players peak in their mid-20's.
- Wetbandit1

I wouldn't say that.

NHL.com stats only go back to 97/98

I'd love to see Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios and such when they 1st came around,

Letang

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/l/letankr01.html

Keith's rookie year he was at 23:26

http://www.hockey-referen...html#all_playoff_ot_goals

Seabrook was at 20:02 and has never averaged over 24:43

http://www.hockey-referen.../players/s/seabrbr01.html

I always base it off games played rather than age.

A 22 year old McCabe is probably further away from his "peak" or ceiling than a 21 year old Risto

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/varones-4-points-power-senators-pre-season-win-maple-leafs/



- Sabresfan-365

I hope Varone actually gets a shot
Good luck to him
F the Sens though!

I wouldn't say that.

NHL.com stats only go back to 97/98

I'd love to see Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios and such when they 1st came around,
- dadeadhead

19 years is a pretty good sample size.

19 years is a pretty good sample size.
- Wetbandit1

What's being discussed here?

What's being discussed here?
- jdfitz77

ATOI for defensemen.

ATOI for defensemen.
- Wetbandit1

Ahhhh
Risto's icetime should go down
He's not on the level of those other guys
Let him grow into it
What's the rush?

Ahhhh
Risto's icetime should go down
He's not on the level of those other guys
Let him grow into it
What's the rush?
- jdfitz77

That's been my main point. He'll grow, literally, into the role of a 1D. This year he should be at 20 21, maybe 22 minutes a night with bumps up in close games, but he was just not ready physically and mentally for those minutes last year. You could see near the end of games, and the end of the seasons he would cheat, either stay too far inside and let the forward get around him on the outside, or would cheat to the outside and get beat inside. His positioning, especially late in the year was very, very bad, but he was still scoring at a good clip.

Less minutes should enable him to be in good position and hopefully save a lot of goals that way. He should call up Chelios and ask him how he was able to last so long in such a demanding position.

I always base it off games played rather than age.

A 22 year old McCabe is probably further away from his "peak" or ceiling than a 21 year old Risto
- sbroads24

No reason use both to base things off of.

19 years is a pretty good sample size.
- Wetbandit1

Sure is but it'd be nice to compare Lidstrom 91/92 or Leetch in 87/88 or Bourque in 79/80 or Chelios in 83/84.........

I think you get the point.

BTW

http://m.ebay.com/itm/401193797575

Holy sh!t!!!!!

The seller sold one for 33k last night.

BTW

http://m.ebay.com/itm/401193797575

Holy sh!t!!!!!

The seller sold one for 33k last night.
- dadeadhead

BTW

http://m.ebay.com/itm/401193797575

Holy sh!t!!!!!

The seller sold one for 33k last night.
- dadeadhead

I thought I was doing good getting $15 for a pair of guppies on ebay

- cabin

I thought I was doing good getting $15 for a pair of guppies on ebay
- homiedclown

That seller has a ton of high high end cards. Many 10's of all players. Makes you wonder if they've got an in with PSA?

Many 10's of all players. Makes you wonder if they've got an in with PSA?
- dadeadhead

I heard stories of that happening a while back

- homiedclown

Awesome movie !!!

- homiedclown

I watched 0 minutes of the debate last night. I already know that both "options" are a joke. No need to waste more of my time watching the circus they're calling an "election."