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Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:24 PM ET
2015-2016 Mar 17 Ankle surgery day-to-day
2015-2016 Oct 9 Sprained ankle day-to-day
2014-2015 Feb 17 Concussion day-to-day
2014-2015 Feb 16 Upper-body injury day-to-day
2014-2015 Dec 4 Undisclosed injury IR
2014-2015 Oct 30 Personal reasons day-to-day

Just sayin

- lulags

- Top two are both the same injury
- Concussion is a concussion. Many players get them. Feb 16 & 17 are also the same injury
- Another injury on Dec 4
- "Personal Reasons" totally sounds like an injury, right?

So what are you just saying? That he's been injured 3 times in unrelated ways? That doesn't make it look chronic at all. If it was ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury you'd have a case but it's not. Players get hurt. It sucked that he happened to get hurt so early in the year. That doesn't mean that he's going to die this year. Doesn't mean he won't, either. It means he has a chance to get injured and has a chance to not get injured just like every other player in the league.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:24 PM ET
Just toying around at Hockey Reference. Looking at the goalie page for 15-16.

http://www.hockey-referen...ues/NHL_2016_goalies.html

You can mouse over the categories to explain each one. As you look, you'll notice Lehner was in fact one of the overall top 10 goalies in the league.

He was also one of the best in the league in PKS%, or penalty kill save percentage. Not bad. Cory Schneider led that category. He was traded for a 9th overall.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:27 PM ET
- Top two are both the same injury
- Concussion is a concussion. Many players get them. Feb 16 & 17 are also the same injury
- Another injury on Dec 4
- "Personal Reasons" totally sounds like an injury, right?

So what are you just saying? That he's been injured 3 times in unrelated ways? That doesn't make it look chronic at all. If it was ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury you'd have a case but it's not. Players get hurt. It sucked that he happened to get hurt so early in the year. That doesn't mean that he's going to die this year. Doesn't mean he won't, either. It means he has a chance to get injured and has a chance to not get injured just like every other player in the league.

- Zschalberg


To add: You can probably make a case that the initial ankle injury happened because of a lack of conditioning from his concussion from his own god damn player. Injury 1 led to 2 and caused 3. The only injury that's actually concerning here is the concussion, which he has surpassed.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Sep 30 @ 1:27 PM ET
I know we are all biased towards our teams but I can't get my head around how so many writers/personalities think that the Leafs have a better change at the playoffs this year than we do. They are absolutely on the right path but they are at least a year behind us (not to mention I think that we have better overall talent).
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:28 PM ET
- Top two are both the same injury
- Concussion is a concussion. Many players get them. Feb 16 & 17 are also the same injury
- Another injury on Dec 4
- "Personal Reasons" totally sounds like an injury, right?

So what are you just saying? That he's been injured 3 times in unrelated ways? That doesn't make it look chronic at all. If it was ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury you'd have a case but it's not. Players get hurt. It sucked that he happened to get hurt so early in the year. That doesn't mean that he's going to die this year. Doesn't mean he won't, either. It means he has a chance to get injured and has a chance to not get injured just like every other player in the league.

- Zschalberg


I said the same thing.

Plus, people must have a short memory. Because last time I checked, we've dealt with goalie injuries pretty much every year for as long as I can remember. Miller pretty much missed a stretch of games with injuries every year. Dom had his fair share of injuries as well, and would fall much more into the "chronic" category you mention.

It's a sport where 82 games+ get played every year. Injuries are a part of the game. You deal with them when the pop up. It's that simple.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:28 PM ET
Any goalie we could have gotten runs the same risk of sucking . Regardless of how much we would have too pay them. I don't want to be paying 6mil again.. That miller has moved on.
- cabin

Not just any goalie, any player that you get has the risk of getting injured. Murray paid a 1st for a goalie he knew. I think he paid too much but at this point it's been over a year so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. I want Lehner to come out now and look like the player he was when he was healthy here. That was a 2.47 GAA and .924 sv% in a small sample size of 21 games.

We paid too much, let's make the best with what we have right now. If he gets hurt we deal with that when we get there. For now let's watch him tonight in the preseason game and hope he looks great.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
I know we are all biased towards our teams but I can't get my head around how so many writers/personalities think that the Leafs have a better change at the playoffs this year than we do. They are absolutely on the right path but they are at least a year behind us (not to mention I think that we have better overall talent).
- Slump Buster


And if you were to ask them why, they'd probably all give you the same answer: Babcock.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:31 PM ET
To add: You can probably make a case that the initial ankle injury happened because of a lack of conditioning from his concussion from his own god damn player. Injury 1 led to 2 and caused 3. The only injury that's actually concerning here is the concussion, which he has surpassed.
- TheSabresTaco


Remember when we all used to hate when Ottawa played Lehner against us because we all thought he was good? Funny how trading a pick in the last 1/3rd of a round changes many people's opinions.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:32 PM ET
I know we are all biased towards our teams but I can't get my head around how so many writers/personalities think that the Leafs have a better change at the playoffs this year than we do. They are absolutely on the right path but they are at least a year behind us (not to mention I think that we have better overall talent).
- Slump Buster

They have more explosive talent, IMO. They have Marner and Nylander and Matthews. Sabres have Jack. Now the Leafs are going to be very young this year but if somehow they put it all together and all of them came into their own they would be a better team. But the odds of that aren't great, maybe 10%.

The Sabres on the other hand have 1 explosive player in Jack and then a group of pretty good players in ROR, Sam, Ennis, Kane, etc. These players are more likely to be near their ceilings but their ceilings aren't as high. Even if they do reach their ceilings it's not going to be a dominating team, it'll be a good one.

I don't think the Leafs are better today but I do see why they do. They have the exciting players.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:34 PM ET
They have more explosive talent, IMO. They have Marner and Nylander and Matthews. Sabres have Jack. Now the Leafs are going to be very young this year but if somehow they put it all together and all of them came into their own they would be a better team. But the odds of that aren't great, maybe 10%.

The Sabres on the other hand have 1 explosive player in Jack and then a group of pretty good players in ROR, Sam, Ennis, Kane, etc. These players are more likely to be near their ceilings but their ceilings aren't as high. Even if they do reach their ceilings it's not going to be a dominating team, it'll be a good one.

I don't think the Leafs are better today but I do see why they do. They have the exciting players.

- Zschalberg


And between the 3 of them, have 22 total games of NHL experience (Nylander). I'm not saying they won't be successful at the NHL level, but they're just as unproven as any rookie coming in. You never know what will happen.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 30 @ 1:38 PM ET
And if you were to ask them why, they'd probably all give you the same answer: Babcock.
- HonkFortheGoose


He will be in the building but not behind the bench tonight. Per Leafs thread.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: GM's are graded based on moves made before June 28th, apparently., NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Sep 30 @ 1:39 PM ET
They have more explosive talent, IMO. They have Marner and Nylander and Matthews. Sabres have Jack. Now the Leafs are going to be very young this year but if somehow they put it all together and all of them came into their own they would be a better team. But the odds of that aren't great, maybe 10%.

The Sabres on the other hand have 1 explosive player in Jack and then a group of pretty good players in ROR, Sam, Ennis, Kane, etc. These players are more likely to be near their ceilings but their ceilings aren't as high. Even if they do reach their ceilings it's not going to be a dominating team, it'll be a good one.

I don't think the Leafs are better today but I do see why they do. They have the exciting players.

- Zschalberg


They may or may not have more explosive talent - I don't know. But their team is incredibly young and none of those guys not named Mathews is guaranteed to be anything. We've got a lot of talent and the key players are just entering their prime.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:42 PM ET
They may or may not have more explosive talent - I don't know. But their team is incredibly young and none of those guys not named Mathews is guaranteed to be anything. We've got a lot of talent and the key players are just entering their prime.
- Slump Buster

I agree, but they're the flashy prospects. We talk about how the Sabres cupboards aren't empty but we don't have the blue chip guy waiting to come up and everyone can't wait for. Toronto has multiple. So they're excited about it as we would be too. That's why I said the odds of them all coming in and hitting their strides and doing what they're capable of right away isn't great, but at least that chance is there.

Both teams will be good soon. I think the Sabres will first, I wouldn't be surprised if the Leafs follow quickly.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Sep 30 @ 1:43 PM ET
- Top two are both the same injury
- Concussion is a concussion. Many players get them. Feb 16 & 17 are also the same injury
- Another injury on Dec 4
- "Personal Reasons" totally sounds like an injury, right?

So what are you just saying? That he's been injured 3 times in unrelated ways? That doesn't make it look chronic at all. If it was ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury, ankle injury you'd have a case but it's not. Players get hurt. It sucked that he happened to get hurt so early in the year. That doesn't mean that he's going to die this year. Doesn't mean he won't, either. It means he has a chance to get injured and has a chance to not get injured just like every other player in the league.

- Zschalberg


Personal reasons is when he took off a few days for the birth of his son.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:46 PM ET
And between the 3 of them, have 22 total games of NHL experience (Nylander). I'm not saying they won't be successful at the NHL level, but they're just as unproven as any rookie coming in. You never know what will happen.
- HonkFortheGoose

Which is even better for hoping they can be great. They aren't expecting Kadri to suddenly become a top-10 talent in the league because they know what he brings. But they can imagine Matthews and Marner tearing up the league because to this point it hasn't been proven false. It's the fan delusion that we all do. Some are more realistic with it but some expect the best.

It happened last year with Eichel. Some of us were thinking he would get 30+ goals and 60+ points and we'd be great. Others were more modest in their predictions. They're just a bit bullish right now.
HonkFortheGoose
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "___________ stinks."-Sabres89, NY
Joined: 07.26.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:46 PM ET
Personal reasons is when he took off a few days for the birth of his son.
- Der Kaiser


HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's not important...

Right?

Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:47 PM ET
Personal reasons is when he took off a few days for the birth of his son.
- Der Kaiser

Case closed.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:49 PM ET
We talk about how the Sabres cupboards aren't empty but we don't have the blue chip guy waiting to come up and everyone can't wait for. .
- Zschalberg

we have 3 goalies in the pipeline, all could be starters

we have nylander, fringe first line nhl player

also up front in pipeline we have
bailey, fasching, baptiste, pu, rodrigues, asplund, carrier up front
guhle, borgen, florentino, martin on the back end

and our last 2 first rd picks already scoring over 20 goals a year with the big club


so much better than it has ever been IMO
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:50 PM ET
HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's not important...

Right?


- HonkFortheGoose

goalies newborn lives don't matter

( I kid)
CoHo_to_B-Lo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: East Amherst, NY
Joined: 02.29.2012

Sep 30 @ 1:50 PM ET
How was the golf outing and the drunk fest at the Cornerstone?
- mhp



We shot -7 under.... are ringer had to back out and the replacement is not good. LOL I played my worst golf of the year. So we were top 10ish but there were a few really good teams. Wasted all day started at 8am didnt stop til 6am so it was rough haha.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Sep 30 @ 1:53 PM ET
we have 3 goalies in the pipeline, all could be starters

we have nylander, fringe first line nhl player

also up front in pipeline we have
bailey, fasching, baptiste, pu, rodrigues, asplund, carrier up front
guhle, borgen, florentino, martin on the back end

and our last 2 first rd picks already scoring over 20 goals a year with the big club


so much better than it has ever been IMO

- homiedclown

Agreed. The blue chips are playing (where they should be )
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:57 PM ET
we have 3 goalies in the pipeline, all could be starters

we have nylander, fringe first line nhl player

also up front in pipeline we have
bailey, fasching, baptiste, pu, rodrigues, asplund, carrier up front
guhle, borgen, florentino, martin on the back end

and our last 2 first rd picks already scoring over 20 goals a year with the big club


so much better than it has ever been IMO

- homiedclown

Right, but they're not in the pipeline anymore.

Sabres have GOOD players in the minors. All those guys you mentioned have a chance to make the big team. We're in a good position, I'm not trying to dispute that.

What the Sabres DON'T have is the guy who we see in the AHL and think "definitely going to be a top line player". Bailey, Fasching, Carrier, Baptiste we look at as maybe/probably top 6. Closest one is our Nylander. The defensemen we see as serviceable, potentially top 4 but none of them are our stalwart #1 defenseman. The leafs have 3 guys who they think will be their top guys in 3 years.

That's all I'm trying to say. Ours are already here so the excitement is met with realism since we know what they look like and how we think they'll play. Theirs are fancy, shiny, and new and they can dream since they haven't played yet. That's why the fans and the newspapers and the media that try to get the fan's attention are saying what they are.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:58 PM ET
people forget carrier put up like 23 points in his last 25 ahl games before he got hurt


kid is the most under rated prospect we have IMO
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:59 PM ET
Agreed. The blue chips are playing (where they should be )
- cabin

If we had Eichel and Reinhart in the NCAA/AHL last year and they were coming in this year we'd be saying the same things that they are. We'd be talking about how Eichel dominated the NCAA and Reinhart kept getting better and better as the year went on in the AHL. Our prospect rankings would have been super high too.

We just had our guys playing in the big leagues. That's the only difference.
Zschalberg
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Amherst, NY
Joined: 06.29.2011

Sep 30 @ 2:01 PM ET
people forget carrier put up like 23 points in his last 25 ahl games before he got hurt


kid is the most under rated prospect we have IMO

- homiedclown

I'm expecting him to be our top line LW in Rochester. Lets Nylander play behind him against a bit worse competition.

LW is a position of need, if he keeps it up he won't be underrated for long.
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