JJ

You in on the HB Central Division blogger charity wager?

Sounds like Dan, Paul, and Peter are in. Just need answers from you and Bill.


- Jason Millen

Ugh.

Well there's your 1LW. To start anyway.
- JRoenick97

As predicted.

RE: Tervainen

Just think about the history.

The Blackhawks, after a successful Cup win in 2010, gain a huge number of new fans and old returnees.
They get in the playoffs,but they then don't win, but two years later take the Kings to overtime.

The fan base and the website base of Hawk sites gets top heavy with web experts, columnists, even the Score radio, who spent their formative years ripping hockey and the Blackhawks suddenly know all and everything about the game, the prospects, strategy and who's good, great and not.

They draft 18th and the surprisingly large developmental crop of defensemen sees the lightweight Teravainen fall. It has more to do with a worry about size and being able to withstand the rigors in the NHL than his skill level.

Afterward I think we can totally agree that the sites and fans anointed him as an heir apparent skill set player, future star centre and big time goal scorer.

Sure these sources started the hype.

But TT himself made it known he saw no reason to play in minor pro in the US and was disgruntled from the start that the on the job trainning was held back.
His representatives made that known...he wants to get a long parent club shot.

He got it.

The thing he still has going for him is the two guys it looks like he make be playing with are good offensive players, Elias Lindholm, and Sebastian Aho.

They might bring more out, but the bottom line is all these coaches also expect all forwards to have the defensive side down to insure ice time.

Good luck to him.
- wiz1901

BINGO.

No, they don't. Nor do they think—in my opinion—any of the highly touted youths are the solution this year.

Panik is the most likely placeholder as they work on other solutions. Yakupov might've enabled Kane to move up with Toews—where it wouldn't matter quite so much who their LW is.
- John Jaeckel

Makes sense. Curious what they're planning to fix that. They've cleaned up a bit of the mess they've got on their hands but supporting cast is a lot thinner than they would probably like.

True, and that puts Motte at 2LW
- JRoenick97

Probably not unless Kruger is your 2C.

Does anyone really think Richard Panik will do as well (or better) than Marian Hossa at 1RW?

No, they don't. Nor do they think—in my opinion—any of the highly touted youths are the solution this year.

Panik is the most likely placeholder as they work on other solutions. Yakupov might've enabled Kane to move up with Toews—where it wouldn't matter quite so much who their LW is.
- John Jaeckel

Yep. Toews and Kane could carry anyone but the most incompetent of hockey players.

Probably not unless Kruger is your 2C.

Does anyone really think Richard Panik will do as well (or better) than Marian Hossa at 1RW?
- John Jaeckel

I mean, Motte COULD earn his way to 2LW, but it seems like right now, they are liking him with Kruger. Which to me makes a lot of sense.

Is there any possibility that Yakupov comes to the Hawks, Fowler goes to Edmonton and the Hawks send something to Anaheim. Edmonton needs a defenseman. Anaheim needs to move salary and cannot take back any cap, so they need AHL'ers or picks.

Is there any possibility that Yakupov comes to the Hawks, Fowler goes to Edmonton and the Hawks send something to Anaheim. Edmonton needs a defenseman. Anaheim needs to move salary and cannot take back any cap, so they need AHL'ers or picks.
- -Doh-

I like where your heads at. Fowler's name has been bandied about for a while now and is exactly the type of player the Oil need and want. Which may allow the other pieces to work.

Is there any possibility that Yakupov comes to the Hawks, Fowler goes to Edmonton and the Hawks send something to Anaheim. Edmonton needs a defenseman. Anaheim needs to move salary and cannot take back any cap, so they need AHL'ers or picks.
- -Doh-

No...Fowler is so much more valuable than anyone the Hawks could give up....Fowler has been in play for awhile-Ana. will likely need to trade a dman-They can't afford to pay them all and they are young. But Murray will wait until he gets what he wants and evidently Edm is not willing to give up enough yet.

No...Fowler is so much more valuable than anyone the Hawks could give up....Fowler has been in play for awhile-Ana. will likely need to trade a dman-They can't afford to pay them all and they are young. But Murray will wait until he gets what he wants and evidently Edm is not willing to give up enough yet.
- Al

Nail Yakupov for Ryan Murphy.

Disappointing 1st round D for Disappointing 1st round F.

Canes get potentially more offensive punch, Oilers get a defenseman that can actually move the puck.

Probably not unless Kruger is your 2C.

Does anyone really think Richard Panik will do as well (or better) than Marian Hossa at 1RW?
- John Jaeckel

No, but this goes to the question I asked earlier does it make more sense to have two real good lines, 1 avg line and one meh line vs. 1 great line and 2 ok lines and one meh lines;

Hino - Toews - Panik
Bread - AA - Kane
Motte - Krug - Hossa
Desi - Moose - Hartman

vs.

Panik - Toews - Hossa
Break - AA - Kane
Motte - Krug - Desi
Hino - Moose - Hartman


Seems to me, the first choice is better. I get that Toews is probably not happy, but it seems to me better to have two really high end lines.

Now if Fortin could actually make it and produce, or they did get a Yak and he produced, that changes everything, if both did, even better.

No...Fowler is so much more valuable tn anyone the Hawks could give up....Fowler has been in play for awhile-Ana. will likely need to trade a dman-They can't afford to pay them all and they are young. But Murray will wait until he gets what he wants and evidently Edm is not willing to give up enough yet.
- Al

The reason Fowler is leaving ANA is because they need cap space. They have not signed Lindholm and Rakell yet. The season starts in a few days. You will be surprised at how little they get. They cannot take and they do not want an NHL ready player. At the trade deadline last year they were saying a 3rd round pick + +. There are not many teams that can take on a $4 mil cap hit right now.

The reason Fowler is leaving ANA is because they need cap space. They have not signed Lindholm and Rakell yet. The season starts in a few days. You will be surprised at how little they get. They cannot take and they do not want an NHL ready player. At the trade deadline last year they were saying a 3rd round pick + +. There are not many teams that can take on a $4 mil cap hit right now.
- -Doh-

Lindholm, Rakell, Kucherov, Yakupov, Fowler... love having a ton of cap spae and the ability to buy cheap on some of these guys.

Lindholm, Rakell, Kucherov, Yakupov, Fowler... love having a ton of cap spae and the ability to buy cheap on some of these guys.
- BINGO!

Yakupov is not a cap casualty. Edmonton has cap space. The others you mention are cap problems for their teams.

Lindholm, Rakell, Kucherov, Yakupov, Fowler... love having a ton of cap spae and the ability to buy cheap on some of these guys.
- BINGO!

Not sure how much of that available cap space Carolina ownership is willing to use.

Yakupov is not a cap casualty. Edmonton has cap space. The others you mention are cap problems for their teams.
- -Doh-

He's not, but his trade value is apparently quite limited. There's a lot of buy-low opportunities for a team with space if they want to do it.

Not sure how much of that available cap space Carolina ownership is willing to use.
- -Doh-

Not a ton. They'll use some, but need to keep it as there are a lot of RFA's the next two years.

TT, Nestrasil and Di Giuseppe end of this year. Slavin, Hanifin, Pesce, Murphy, Nordstrom and Lindholm end of next year.

Francis says he has full autonomy to spend to the cap if he wants to, but won't do it unless it make sense. That D Corps is going to be broken up a bit.

The reason Fowler is leaving ANA is because they need cap space. They have not signed Lindholm and Rakell yet. The season starts in a few days. You will be surprised at how little they get. They cannot take and they do not want an NHL ready player. At the trade deadline last year they were saying a 3rd round pick + +. There are not many teams that can take on a $4 mil cap hit right now.
- -Doh-

I understand and wrote on here last summer the Ducks were going to trade a dman and names I heard was either Fowler or Lindholm.

I get your point but Murray is a well thought of GM but regardless he picked one wrong GM already and now he hired back the guy he fired. Point is, Murray is out get out of jail cards...He is under a lot of pressure.

But in essence you are saying they trade Fowler for McNeill -Polka and some rainbows and lollipops...Not going to happen.

Anaheim is brimming with young players...They don't need the Hawks scraps and I don't think the Hawks will throw anyone into the mix from the roster that would make Murray pause.

Yakupov is not a cap casualty. Edmonton has cap space. The others you mention are cap problems for their teams.
- -Doh-

What you are missing is Yakupov has had a for sale sign around his neck for years...Edmonton isn't playing hardball with anyone-They don't want him, the coach has no use for him and if the season started tonight he is a scratch.

What you are missing is Yakupov has had a for sale sign around his neck for years...Edmonton isn't playing hardball with anyone-They don't want him, the coach has no use for him and if the season started tonight he is a scratch.
- Al

The question is, when is enough, enough. When does the Oil GM say, y'know what, we'll take those players and eat this salary cuz we just don't want him anymore.

The question is, when is enough, enough. When does the Oil GM say, y'know what, we'll take those players and eat this salary cuz we just don't want him anymore.
- CanOCorn

It's really cool to be pining for a guy with a "for sale" sign around his neck or the Oil Gm just wants to get rid of. I'll still take him and maybe AA and Artie can talk some sense into him, because the dude has talent.

What you are missing is Yakupov has had a for sale sign around his neck for years...Edmonton isn't playing hardball with anyone-They don't want him, the coach has no use for him and if the season started tonight he is a scratch.
- Al

Why didn't the trade happen then?

Assuming of course JJ's info was correct and the players were agreed on and the hold up was retaining salary.

Surely if they happy with what they were getting back, the 1.25 max retention with their cap space wouldn't be a big deal?

What you are missing is Yakupov has had a for sale sign around his neck for years...Edmonton isn't playing hardball with anyone-They don't want him, the coach has no use for him and if the season started tonight he is a scratch.
- Al

And at this point, you have to wonder if the relationship has soured on both sides, when do they keep him away from the team because of the toxic relationship. Scratching a first overall pick every night because the coach has written him off cant be good for the locker room, especially if he is liked by his teammates a lot

Then whats the other alternative? Send him to OKC and likely lose him for NOTHING via waivers.

I think at this point Chia Pet is at the cross roads of get him away from the team before it makes a negative enviornment and get something rather than nothing

The question is, when is enough, enough. When does the Oil GM say, y'know what, we'll take those players and eat this salary cuz we just don't want him anymore.
- CanOCorn

Well main issue is the Oil has to eat much of Yakupov's salary.

The Oil have a legit head coach and a decent GM now...They are there for awhile so the chemistry needs to change-Not saying Yakupov is a bad guy-He has a release like Brett Hull or Stamkos but he hasn't come close to living up to expectations.