Why didn't the trade happen then?

Assuming of course JJ's info was correct and the players were agreed on and the hold up was retaining salary.

Surely if they happy with what they were getting back, the 1.25 max retention with their cap space wouldn't be a big deal?
- vabeachbear

I would bet Chiarelli is throwing last minute lines out to see what the best offer is. Smoke is out now that Chicago and Edmonton have talked, I bet a couple of other GMs will poke Chia to see if they can bend his ear

I understand and wrote on here last summer the Ducks were going to trade a dman and names I heard was either Fowler or Lindholm.

I get your point but Murray is a well thought of GM but regardless he picked one wrong GM already and now he hired back the guy he fired. Point is, Murray is out get out of jail cards...He is under a lot of pressure.

But in essence you are saying they trade Fowler for McNeill -Polka and some rainbows and lollipops...Not going to happen.

Anaheim is brimming with young players...They don't need the Hawks scraps and I don't think the Hawks will throw anyone into the mix from the roster that would make Murray pause.
- Al

I agree about McNeil and Pokka not going to get it done. ANA might take prospects that are further from NHL ready or higher draft picks in future drafts that could be 2 to 4 years away from the NHL. A 2nd round pick in 2017 would have some value along with an "B" level AHL or a prospect in Europe or Juniors.

Ugh.
- John Jaeckel

ugh?

Why didn't the trade happen then?

Assuming of course JJ's info was correct and the players were agreed on and the hold up was retaining salary.

Surely if they happy with what they were getting back, the 1.25 max retention with their cap space wouldn't be a big deal?
- vabeachbear

No clue.....I didn't know JJ had a rumor this week about the Hawks and Yakupov...And not sure why or how rumor got legs yesterday.

Like I said it is feasible for the Hawks to trade one or two young guys before they lose them with nothing in return-I hadn't heard any of the Hawks/Yakupov rumors recently til it was posted here from Twitter.

Hossa hasn't played a game yet and supposedly has a lingering injury from the worlds...so does he start the season on the injury list earning the hawks some cap relief which in turn means Edmonton doesn't have to eat as much salary?

I agree about McNeil and Pokka not going to get it done. ANA might take prospects that are further from NHL ready or higher draft picks in future drafts that could be 2 to 4 years away from the NHL. A 2nd round pick in 2017 would have some value along with an "B" level AHL or a prospect in Europe or Juniors.
- -Doh-

Here's what I hear and you can take if for what it is worth...Rakell deal is close to being done.

Lindholm is at home and it may take a while to sign him...He is looking for too much money-$7 mill per. is what I heard. He is good and could be worth it someday but he isn't worth that money now.

Also, hearing some of his teammates are not real happy with him.

Bob Stauffer ✔ @Bob_Stauffer
Get the sense after Reinhart didn't grab it and the indifferent play of one of the vets that the Oilers still exploring options to upgrade D

I would actually do TVR for Patrick Maroon

Not sure anyone else would

How about TVR and Pokka

For Maroon and Yakupov @ 50%

Potential Lineup:

Maroon Toews Kane
Panarin Anisimov Yakupov
Desjardins Kruger Hossa
Panik/Desjardin/Tootoo/Hartman etc

No clue.....I didn't know JJ had a rumor this week about the Hawks and Yakupov...And not sure why or how rumor got legs yesterday.

Like I said it is feasible for the Hawks to trade one or two young guys before they lose them with nothing in return-I hadn't heard any of the Hawks/Yakupov rumors recently til it was posted here from Twitter.
- Al

After word came out yesterday, he followed up and reported that they were talking, players were agreed to but weren't in agreement on salary cap retained.

At least I think that's what he said, i could be misremembering.

Here's what I hear and you can take if for what it is worth...Rakell deal is close to being done.

Lindholm is at home and it may take a while to sign him...He is looking for too much money-$7 mill per. is what I heard. He is good and could be worth it someday but he isn't worth that money now.

Also, hearing some of his teammates are not real happy with him.
- Al

What has that got to do with anything

Why didn't the trade happen then?

Assuming of course JJ's info was correct and the players were agreed on and the hold up was retaining salary.

Surely if they happy with what they were getting back, the 1.25 max retention with their cap space wouldn't be a big deal?
- vabeachbear

$1.25MM cap space is also - $1.25MM real money - US money, no less.

Aren't the Oilers a budget team - perhaps not wanting to spend the money factors in.

Bob Stauffer ✔ @Bob_Stauffer
Get the sense after Reinhart didn't grab it and the indifferent play of one of the vets that the Oilers still exploring options to upgrade D

I would actually do TVR for Patrick Maroon

Not sure anyone else would

How about TVR and Pokka

For Maroon and Yakupov @ 50%

Potential Lineup:

Maroon Toews Kane
Panarin Anisimov Yakupov
Desjardins Kruger Hossa
Panik/Desjardin/Tootoo/Hartman etc
- hawkeytalkman

That would be a great trade for the Hawks.

Edmonton is really kinda screwed. Nobody is going to give them what they want when they are seen as between a rock and a hard place with Yakity Yak.

$1.25MM cap space is also - $1.25MM real money - US money, no less.

Aren't the Oilers a budget team - perhaps not wanting to spend the money factors in.
- StLBravesFan

The Oilers are not a budget team.

Nail Yakupov for Ryan Murphy.

Disappointing 1st round D for Disappointing 1st round F.

Canes get potentially more offensive punch, Oilers get a defenseman that can actually move the puck.
- BINGO!

I was checking out the Jackets roster last night and was surprised to see that they cut Werenski. As a rookie, I feel Werenski is at least marginally better than Murphy. He had a monster playoffs (no pun intended) for their AHL team that won the Calder Cup this past season.

Bob Stauffer ✔ @Bob_Stauffer
Get the sense after Reinhart didn't grab it and the indifferent play of one of the vets that the Oilers still exploring options to upgrade D

I would actually do TVR for Patrick Maroon

Not sure anyone else would

How about TVR and Pokka

For Maroon and Yakupov @ 50%

Potential Lineup:

Maroon Toews Kane
Panarin Anisimov Yakupov
Desjardins Kruger Hossa
Panik/Desjardin/Tootoo/Hartman etc
- hawkeytalkman

Like it but have to assume that's wishful thinking.

Here's what I hear and you can take if for what it is worth...Rakell deal is close to being done.

Lindholm is at home and it may take a while to sign him...He is looking for too much money-$7 mill per. is what I heard. He is good and could be worth it someday but he isn't worth that money now.

Also, hearing some of his teammates are not real happy with him.
- Al

Agree. This may open up a can of worms, but it's somewhat similar to Saad's contract with the Jackets or even Panarin's hopefully upcoming extension. Who knows if his agent was pushing for a more than $6M per year, but like Lindholm, Saad could be worth $7M or more down the line but not now. Still have a little more to prove. His first 30-goal season last year was a good start.

I was checking out the Jackets roster last night and was surprised to see that they cut Werenski. As a rookie, I feel Werenski is at least marginally better than Murphy. He had a monster playoffs (no pun intended) for their AHL team that won the Calder Cup this past season.
- AEL_Fox

The Blue Jackets suck. Hopefully they're just trying to keep Werenski away from the stink that is John Tortorella but I suspect they legitimately think David Savard is a top pairing defenseman.

Agree. This may open up a can of worms, but it's somewhat similar to Saad's contract with the Jackets or even Panarin's hopefully upcoming extension. Who knows if his agent was pushing for a more than $6M per year, but like Lindholm, Saad could be worth $7M or more down the line but not now. Still have a little more to prove. His first 30-goal season last year was a good start.
- AEL_Fox

The blue line in Anaheim is one of their bright spots. Good prospects, plus with the emergence of Theodore, Anaheim's top 4 is Lindhilm,Vatanen, Despres, Bieksa. Then there is another guy like Holzer. Good young guys in Anaheim. I'm really curious of the Fowler situation and where he ends up.

After word came out yesterday, he followed up and reported that they were talking, players were agreed to but weren't in agreement on salary cap retained.

At least I think that's what he said, i could be misremembering.
- vabeachbear

Need to ask John.

What has that got to do with anything
- vabeachbear

Has to do with another poster talking about the Anaheim situation.

Like it but have to assume that's wishful thinking.
- vabeachbear

Thats the corner I think Chiarelli is in.

He is clearly in tear down/rebuild mode and every GM knows he is trying to clean house and cut dead weight where he can. Almost to the point that he knows crows are circling so he is trying to be overly cautious to not give guys away for peanuts and be robbed blind on trades because the organization is desperate to move on

Agree. This may open up a can of worms, but it's somewhat similar to Saad's contract with the Jackets or even Panarin's hopefully upcoming extension. Who knows if his agent was pushing for a more than $6M per year, but like Lindholm, Saad could be worth $7M or more down the line but not now. Still have a little more to prove. His first 30-goal season last year was a good start.
- AEL_Fox

You are correct Lindholm might get that kind of dough somewhere but Anaheim is a budget team-They paid their two big guys and then everyone else has to fit in. They normally don't spend to the cap ceiling.

Bob Stauffer ✔ @Bob_Stauffer
Get the sense after Reinhart didn't grab it and the indifferent play of one of the vets that the Oilers still exploring options to upgrade D

I would actually do TVR for Patrick Maroon

Not sure anyone else would

How about TVR and Pokka

For Maroon and Yakupov @ 50%

Potential Lineup:

Maroon Toews Kane
Panarin Anisimov Yakupov
Desjardins Kruger Hossa
Panik/Desjardin/Tootoo/Hartman etc
- hawkeytalkman

I've been advocating a move like this (for Maroon) for a while now. For TvR I'd still ask Edmonton to retain some of Maroon's salary.

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc 1m1 minute ago
#Blackhawks recall defensemen Viktor Svedberg and Ville Pokka from Rockford.

Hossa hasn't played a game yet and supposedly has a lingering injury from the worlds...so does he start the season on the injury list earning the hawks some cap relief which in turn means Edmonton doesn't have to eat as much salary?
- waitforawhistle

I think Hossa is fine and they are just giving the game time to evaluate players further. Hossa looks ready to go based on his skating in the world cup.

Chris Kuc ‏@ChrisKuc 1m1 minute ago
#Blackhawks recall defensemen Viktor Svedberg and Ville Pokka from Rockford.
- DarthKane

Makes me think they are maybe showing off some potential trade pieces maybe?