I assume no salary is being retained.

The prospect is 22 and only played 1 AHL game - has been in juniors and ECHL.
- L_B_R

Hard to imagine the Hawks couldn't have offer that type or better of a deal..... Weird

The prospect is 22 and only played 1 AHL game - has been in juniors and ECHL.
- L_B_R

So at best, a 2nd round pick for a still-young overall first pick - meaning lots of skill and lots of potential....

I do wish Stan could have gotten that one done.

Hard to imagine the Hawks couldn't have offer that type or better of a deal..... Weird
- HawksGuySince85

Might have come down to the Hawks wanting Edmonton to retain salary. Dont know for a fact. Looks like the Blues are taking his entire salary.

So at best, a 2nd round pick for a still-young overall first pick - meaning lots of skill and lots of potential....

I do wish Stan could have gotten that one done.
- StLBravesFan

Oilers obviously didn't want to retain any salary and the Hawks needed about $1m retained for them to have flexibility and for them to bank cap space in case they wanted to make at least a small move at the TDL.

If it's true the Oilers really just wanted a 3rd rounder, then they got that plus a possibility that it would be a 2nd. Pochiro was likely only involved because the Blues needed to move out a contract to make room.

Perhaps Stanley felt if he didn't get salary retained, he had less of a chance of extending Panarin? Yakupov is still a dice roll, and there are already two top 6 RWs playing here. If it doesn't work out, there's not much cap flexibility for this season and for the TDL, either, if no salary gets retained.

Perhaps Stanley felt if he didn't get salary retained, he had less of a chance of extending Panarin? Yakupov is still a dice roll, and there are already two top 6 RWs playing here. If it doesn't work out, there's not much cap flexibility for this season and for the TDL, either, if no salary gets retained.
- 333inthe3rd

It likely has nothing to do with Panarin - if they only carried 22 with Yak, they'd been within $100k of the cap limit and little wiggle room to move up and down prospects.

Oilers obviously didn't want to retain any salary and the Hawks needed about $1m retained for them to have flexibility and for them to bank cap space in case they wanted to make at least a small move at the TDL.
- L_B_R

Yep - I said that earlier - still think someway it could have gotten done, especially for the cheap return the Oil got.

Potential top-6ers don't come along very often, and after the current group of 5, only a couple of maybes in the system.

Lost out on Vesey, Hudler, Yakupov....

The prospect is 22 and only played 1 AHL game - has been in juniors and ECHL.
- L_B_R

Seems like a big swing and a miss from the FO
Add that to the others this off season

Yakupov will definitely get a chance with Tarasenko...let's hope he's what the Oil think....a bust. Frank St Louis

Yakupov will definitely get a chance with Tarasenko...let's hope he's what the Oil think....a bust. Frank St Louis
- EnzoD

Aye!

It likely has nothing to do with Panarin - if they only carried 22 with Yak, they'd been within $100k of the cap limit and little wiggle room to move up and down prospects.
- L_B_R

Right, my bad. Panarin is next year's issue, of course.

Yep - I said that earlier - still think someway it could have gotten done, especially for the cheap return the Oil got.

Potential top-6ers don't come along very often, and after the current group of 5, only a couple of maybes in the system.

Lost out on Vesey, Hudler, Yakupov....
- StLBravesFan

Maybe, but if a team if adamant about not taking any salary back, there's not a lot the FO could have done. The alternative was moving out a roster player to make room. The Oilers wanted a 3rd and they got it without having to retain. Could also be that the Oilers FO got trigger happy.

Vesey and Hudler didn't want to take the Hawks offer. The former was always a long-shot lbr and not getting the latter sucks a bit but they are a cap strapped team with limited to offer in money.

There are lots of things the Hawks FO have messed up (Daley, Scuderi, Handzus, habibulin all come to mind easily), but most if not all of those are low on the list.

Grosso reporting EDM are signing Russell.

Maybe EDM needed the space to sogn Russell so wouldn't retain salary?

EDIT - but
Per @blackhawksbreakdown
EDM has $11M in cap space

They had room to retain $1,250,000 of Yakupuv's deal. That raises his value and = a better return in a trade.

That's right. For Erhoff, yes?

Yes. How could I have forgotten?
- hocktock

because the whole scuederi/erhoff debacle was forgetable

So at best, a 2nd round pick for a still-young overall first pick - meaning lots of skill and lots of potential....

I do wish Stan could have gotten that one done.
- StLBravesFan

if jj trade rumor is correct...that looks like it was doable for what the blues coughed up...but 2.5 mildo of yakupov salary the hawks can't fit that

I cant help but think that a Hitchcock system and Yakupov is like oil and water

Yakupov was clearly outcast by Todd McClellan, how the hell is he going to fare better under the stay-puff marshmallow man?

How's that Yakupov deal looking?
From now on, place the Chicago journalists who continued to give an old story legs. When a trusted real hockey journalist, Bob McKenzie says DEAL NOT IMMINENT you do believe him.
I am happy I never gave this another thought of happening after McKenzie coursecorrect rhe other poor exudes for hockey insiders.

Grosso reporting EDM are signing Russell.

Maybe EDM needed the space to sogn Russell so wouldn't retain salary?

EDIT - but
Per @blackhawksbreakdown
EDM has $11M in cap space

They had room to retain $1,250,000 of Yakupuv's deal. That raises his value and = a better return in a trade.
- Marlowe

Bingo you win the prize.
When they sent big passive Griffin Rinehart to the minors b/c he has no offensive and is too timid as a defensive defenseman, it looked like they were getting somebody. ThT was the main reason they unloaded Yakupov they want players ready for making the Oilers better now not after hAlf dozen years of develoment

Grosso reporting EDM are signing Russell.

Maybe EDM needed the space to sogn Russell so wouldn't retain salary?

EDIT - but
Per @blackhawksbreakdown
EDM has $11M in cap space

They had room to retain $1,250,000 of Yakupuv's deal. That raises his value and = a better return in a trade.
- Marlowe

His raised value gets a conditional 2nd and a 22 year old ECHL player.

Has to do with another poster talking about the Anaheim situation.
- Al

Just meant what someone worth and what they want or someone may give them doesn't always jive with logic........Sadd.

His raised value gets a conditional 2nd and a 22 year old ECHL player.
- StLBravesFan

No, his value was only raised if they retained salary - since they didn't, they got exactly what they'd been valuing him at, which was a 3rd. Their ability to retain if needed only raised value for a team that needed that type of favor, which the Blues don't.

Maybe, but if a team if adamant about not taking any salary back, there's not a lot the FO could have done. The alternative was moving out a roster player to make room. The Oilers wanted a 3rd and they got it without having to retain. Could also be that the Oilers FO got trigger happy.

Vesey and Hudler didn't want to take the Hawks offer. The former was always a long-shot lbr and not getting the latter sucks a bit but they are a cap strapped team with limited to offer in money.

There are lots of things the Hawks FO have messed up (Daley, Scuderi, Handzus, habibulin all come to mind easily), but most if not all of those are low on the list.
- L_B_R

There's always a reason why they missed out - point is, they missed out.

Got Kempny - probably very good; got Campbell - probably good; signed Motte, Fortin and Schmaltz - we'll see how good.

Let's see how it all works out.

No, his value was only raised if they retained salary - since they didn't, they got exactly what they'd been valuing him at, which was a 3rd. Their ability to retain if needed only raised value for a team that needed that type of favor, which the Blues don't.
- L_B_R

Yes - I mis-interpreted Marlowe's comment - I'm misreading things tonite.

I'll go quietly watch the Cubs....

There's always a reason why they missed out - point is, they missed out.

Got Kempny - probably very good; got Campbell - probably good; signed Motte, Fortin and Schmaltz - we'll see how good.

Let's see how it all works out.
- StLBravesFan

Sure, you just made it sound like they should have been able to get all those done easily. Could be reading that wrong, though.