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Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Oct 10 @ 6:42 PM ET
Boob Mac said Lightning and Kucherov were close to bridge deal
- PhillySportsGuy

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 10 @ 6:42 PM ET
Hexy is unwilling to lose scrubs like VDV or Manning through waivers, but over the last few seasons, Holland is just giving away true and cheap NHL depth talent. He agonized over an old bum like Chris Porter. Did you know Holland has lost through waivers Nestrasil on Carolina, Jarnkrok on Nashville, Janmark on Detroit? For nothing. Each of those are now true NHL talents capable of being traded for good value, if they even wanted to trade them but instead play them as valuable bottom 6 pieces. Now he's lost Frk, who people say had a great camp, to Carolina again. You know they're on top of their poop. He'll now lose Pulkkinen certainly. All to ice a 4th line of Drew Miller - Luke Glendening - Steve Ott.

The overcooking nonsense has nothing to do with the prospects. It has to do with an irrational love for old declining players and stupidity.

- Mononoke


It's also dumb to keep these guys in the minors because you only have a certain amount of time before they reach ufa status. If you let a guy develop until he's 24, you'll only get 3 years of rfa value.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 10 @ 6:43 PM ET
Yeah, long day, didn't back read
- BiggE


I forgive you
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 10 @ 6:44 PM ET
He wore 32 in juniors. Streit's days are numbered
- Mononoke


I thought he wore 17. Did he wear 17 with Ottawa and 32 with Sarnia?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 6:44 PM ET
He wore 32 in juniors. Streit's days are numbered
- Mononoke


what
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:44 PM ET
I agree, the player was coming off a serious knee injury and missed a lot of hockey. Hextall made the right call, and in my opinion, handled it perfectly by sending him down to the AHL, to get some playing time in there, and get his game and timing back. To have thrown him right into the NHL at the beginning of the season, would've been a mistake, and unfair to Gostisbehere.
- MJL


I am not sure it would've been a mistake or unfair, I just think him getting to come in on the power play led to him hitting the ground running.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 6:44 PM ET
I thought he wore 17. Did he wear 17 with Ottawa and 32 with Sarnia?
- PhillySportsGuy


He wore 17 with both teams
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:45 PM ET

- Landsbergfan


One of these days you'll get one
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:46 PM ET
It's also dumb to keep these guys in the minors because you only have a certain amount of time before they reach ufa status. If you let a guy develop until he's 24, you'll only get 3 years of rfa value.
- PhillySportsGuy


While true, I don't really agree with this. You can still sign a guy long term before he's a UFA.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
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Oct 10 @ 6:46 PM ET
He wore 17 with both teams
- ob18


I (frank)ing knew it
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:48 PM ET
Per CSN
Gudas gets 6

- BiggE


Appeal!
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:53 PM ET
It's also dumb to keep these guys in the minors because you only have a certain amount of time before they reach ufa status. If you let a guy develop until he's 24, you'll only get 3 years of rfa value.
- PhillySportsGuy


Tatar: 32 points in 58 AHL games; 57 p in 70 ; 58 p in 76; 49 p in 61

Nyquist: 58 points in 56 AHL games; 60 p in 58; 21 p in 15

Both of those are legit top 9 players, maybe top 6, especially Tatar. Clearly they were ready but they just wasted prime and cheap years. No one can say that all of Nestrasil, Janmark, Jarnkrok would not be on the Wings NHL roster right now. Instead, they offer and have horrendous contracts to old players on precipitous declines or on the brink of them and have no understanding of asset management. Detroit and Holland today are not to be emulated and treated as some gold standard, especially for how they handle youth. Holland is one of the lesser GMs in the league.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:54 PM ET
what
- ob18


Sanheim wore 32 in Calgary. Considering he won't be on the team until Streit leaves anyway, it'll be free



EDIT: my bad, I thought he was talking about Sanheim for some reason...I guess b/c he wore #71 in previous camps. I didn't realize he was asking about Konecny's #
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 10 @ 6:58 PM ET
We can assume Provy will take #9.............Konecny hmmmmm #18?
- ob18

Konecny needs to be 4
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
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Oct 10 @ 7:00 PM ET
Konecny needs to be 4
- Crimsoninja


Barry Ashbee, bro
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:01 PM ET
We can assume Provy will take #9.............Konecny hmmmmm #18?
- ob18


Yeah. That was my guess on provy. No idea what konecny will take.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:01 PM ET
Konecny needs to be 4
- Crimsoninja


no, move along
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 10 @ 7:08 PM ET
Konecny said he liked #80 from last camp. That's a pretty cool unique #. I actually really liked #63 on him, another unique one. #71 would be cool too. He needs to have a flashy, unique number. Get into the nosebleeds.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:08 PM ET
Barry Ashbee, bro
- Mononoke

He would understand
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:09 PM ET
Konecny said he liked #80 from last camp. That's a pretty cool unique #. I actually really liked #63 on him, another unique one. #71 would be cool too. He needs to have a flashy, unique number. Get into the nosebleeds.
- Mononoke

meh Larkin is already 71 2.0
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 10 @ 7:10 PM ET
meh Larkin is already 71 2.0
- Crimsoninja


Fair point. I prefer 80 or 63. Make a (frank)ing statement.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:16 PM ET
Next hockeyleaks dump
- PhillySportsGuy



You have to promote and promise the reckoning first!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 10 @ 7:19 PM ET
I am not sure it would've been a mistake or unfair, I just think him getting to come in on the power play led to him hitting the ground running.
- YuenglingJagr


I don't think anyone can be 100% certain, so it's just an opinion. I think Hextall handled it correctly. I totally agree that being able to play on the top PP unit put him in the best position to succeed.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Oct 10 @ 7:26 PM ET
Man, Gaudreau for 6 years at $6.75 mil per is great.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 10 @ 7:29 PM ET
Sanheim wore 32 in Calgary. Considering he won't be on the team until Streit leaves anyway, it'll be free



EDIT: my bad, I thought he was talking about Sanheim for some reason...I guess b/c he wore #71 in previous camps. I didn't realize he was asking about Konecny's #

- Mononoke


That's embarrassing
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