Then let's compare:

_____- McDavid- Eberle
Lucic- Drasaitl- Puljujarvi
Pouliot- Nuge- _____

Klefbom- Larsson
Nurse- Sekera

Vs


_____- McDavid- Eberle
Hall- Drasaitl- _____
Pouliot- Nuge- Puljujarvi

Klefbom- _____
Nurse- Sekera

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not worried in either scenario. In the latter scenario, I'd actually be more concerned about the on account of what Hall's next contract would end up being (around 8mil) and what filling that top pair RD slot would cost. Cap has to be considered, as well.
- MaximumBone

Lucic-McDavid-Yak
Hall-Drai-Versteeg
Pou-Nuge- Pul
Maroon -Cagg-Kassian

Klef-Trouba
Nurse-Sekera
Davidson - Demers
Oesterle

Better than what we have right now.

Just read through, that level of posting makes me appreciate and miss JB, dudes got to be an alt, trolling and putting on an act.
- Mr.Bobby

Yeah, he seems like a bit too much of a spazz to be real, but who knows? I read that Hallfan dudes blog the other day,and one of his posts...are you guys sure that's not a parody account?

Lucic-McDavid-Yak
Hall-Drai-Versteeg
Pou-Nuge- Pul
Maroon -Cagg-Kassian

Klef-Trouba
Nurse-Sekera
Davidson - Demers
Oesterle

Better than what we have right now.
- Iggysbff

Damn. That would be pretty good.

Lucic-McDavid-Yak
Hall-Drai-Versteeg
Pou-Nuge- Pul
Maroon -Cagg-Kassian

Klef-Trouba
Nurse-Sekera
Davidson - Demers
Oesterle

Better than what we have right now.
- Iggysbff

Yeah, I can make better line-ups when ignoring the salary cap or any consideration for the future of the franchise, as well. I don't though cause it's a waste of time.

How do you suggest we bring all that in? Why does Winnipeg move Trouba for Eberle when they've said they require an equivalent LHD in return? Lucic would still have costed 6mil and we'd likely have been looking at at least 5mil (if not 5.5mil) for Demers. In what world do we fit them both under the cap while also meeting Trouba's demands?

Just to break it all down, we'd be adding 6mil for Lucic, at least 5.5mil for Trouba, and at least 5mil for Demers while only losing Eberle's 6mil. We'd also be spending 17.5 mil on LWers, at least 16mil on our RD. Brilliant.

Yeah, I can make better line-ups when ignoring the salary cap or any consideration for the future of the franchise, as well. I don't though cause it's a waste of time.

How do you suggest we bring all that in? Why does Winnipeg move Trouba for Eberle when they've said they require an equivalent LHD in return? Lucic would still have costed 6mil and we'd likely have been looking at at least 5mil (if not 5.5mil) for Demers. In what world do we fit them both under the cap while also meeting Trouba's demands?

Just to break it all down, we'd be adding 6mil for Lucic, at least 5.5mil for Trouba, and at least 5mil for Demers while only losing Eberle's 6mil. We'd also be spending 17.5 mil on LWers, at least 16.5mil on our RD. Brilliant.
- MaximumBone

Bonuses are a huge consideration. I doubt he hits all of them, but a reasonable season could see him cost 2x as much Parenteau at least
- Matt_Henderson

are you paying them?

Then let's compare:

_____- McDavid- Eberle
Lucic- Drasaitl- Puljujarvi
Pouliot- Nuge- _____

Klefbom- Larsson
Nurse- Sekera

Vs


_____- McDavid- Eberle
Hall- Drasaitl- _____
Pouliot- Nuge- Puljujarvi

Klefbom- _____
Nurse- Sekera

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not worried in either scenario. In the latter scenario, I'd actually be more concerned about the on account of what Hall's next contract would end up being (around 8mil) and what filling that top pair RD slot would cost. Cap has to be considered, as well.
- MaximumBone

no cap talk. hall had ages to go.

the obvious glaring thing there is the defence. which ive never really argued against what needed to be done

but in terms of the forward scenarios, in the 2nd, you can pretty much put a plug in that 2rw empty spot (purcell) and still see success. certainly not the case in the first. even puju now might be a bad idea. lucic is no hall.
as far as the 3rd line- it could even be a vet like versteeg, which might round it out beautifully and be as deep as the first two in many respects

i dunno. i think the first lineup is probably better short term. while the 2nd MIGHt be far better long term.

all i really ever meant is that the forward core (excluding pujus ceiling) now isnt as eye popping as it once did imo and is fairly susceptible to top end depth issues. (although the lower end depth issues is much better)
that said, its about winning games, not looking pretty. it also forgets the fact that if we were ever gonna get that defender, the name power was inevitably going to take a hit

are you paying them?
- Tumbleweed

Yeah, I can make better line-ups when ignoring the salary cap or any consideration for the future of the franchise, as well. I don't though cause it's a waste of time.

How do you suggest we bring all that in? Why does Winnipeg move Trouba for Eberle when they've said they require an equivalent LHD in return? Lucic would still have costed 6mil and we'd likely have been looking at at least 5mil (if not 5.5mil) for Demers. In what world do we fit them both under the cap while also meeting Trouba's demands?

Just to break it all down, we'd be adding 6mil for Lucic, at least 5.5mil for Trouba, and at least 5mil for Demers while only losing Eberle's 6mil. We'd also be spending 17.5 mil on LWers, at least 16.5mil on our RD. Brilliant.
- MaximumBone

Demers would cost similar to Russell.
Yak/Versteeg/Pul combine to around Eberle.
Picks, prospects and others round out trades.
Hendricks, Reinhart, and Letestu out for picks or prospects too.

Trouba would come in around Klef which isnt much more than Larsson.

It is brilliant. I could do better than that moron Chia...but so could a monkey.

Bonuses are a huge consideration. I doubt he hits all of them, but a reasonable season could see him cost 2x as much Parenteau at least
- Matt_Henderson

I like PAP for the 3rd line, but he can't skate....hes so slow. For a 1.5m pick up for free, why not

Just read through, that level of posting makes me appreciate and miss JB, dudes got to be an alt, trolling and putting on an act.
- Mr.Bobby

has to be an alt, no one can be that dense and terrible of a poster unless its on purpose. Makes me appreciate Big Ern, he will just tell you to go (frank) yourself haha

no cap talk. hall had ages to go.

the obvious glaring thing there is the defence. which ive never really argued against what needed to be done

but in terms of the forward scenarios, in the 2nd, you can pretty much put a plug in those empty spots (purcell/maroon) and still see success. certainly not the case in the first. as far as the 3rd line- it could even be a vet like versteeg, which might round it out beautifully and be as deep as the first two in many respects
- HB77

I don't see how it would be much different in the latter. You could still plug a Maroon up with McDavid and Nuge and Pouliot would make up for any deficiency in their linemate on account of them being the 3rd best line on the team. Pop a Versteeg, Stempniak, or Purcell there any given year and I'm sure they'd still chug along as they do.

has to be an alt, no one can be that dense and terrible of a poster unless its on purpose. Makes me appreciate Big Ern, he will just tell you to go (frank) yourself haha
- DDM-Coga

Never met Big Erin....good guy?

are you paying them?
- Tumbleweed

............

are you paying them?
- Tumbleweed

oh, I'm sorry you didn't know. You see there's this thing called the Salary Cap that the owners pushed for during one of several lockouts. Teams can no longer spend more than that Cap and bonuses apply to the Cap. It's a longer story, but I assume you'll be reading a lot of Wikipedia while you recover from that coma you've been in.

Oh...you see, Wikipedia is this website that's like Encarta but up to date all the time...

Never met Big Erin....good guy?
- Larsson_fan

Terrible guy but hes Iggys real BFF

oh, I'm sorry you didn't know. You see there's this thing called the Salary Cap that the owners pushed for during one of several lockouts. Teams can no longer spend more than that Cap and bonuses apply to the Cap. It's a longer story, but I assume you'll be reading a lot of Wikipedia while you recover from that coma you've been in.

Oh...you see, Wikipedia is this website that's like Encarta but up to date all the time...
- Matt_Henderson

Hendo spitting hot fire

The money freed up from the Yak trade would have been highly useful in the current situation surrounding the waiver wire frenzy.

But Chia chose to use 3.7m for Russell instead.

Pulkinnen would probably be the better way to go potential wise, but as to P.A. he is at the very least a solid 3rd liner without a doubt in my mind. Plus he is the type of player Chia likes.

Ah well, we'll see what happens.

oh, I'm sorry you didn't know. You see there's this thing called the Salary Cap that the owners pushed for during one of several lockouts. Teams can no longer spend more than that Cap and bonuses apply to the Cap. It's a longer story, but I assume you'll be reading a lot of Wikipedia while you recover from that coma you've been in.

Oh...you see, Wikipedia is this website that's like Encarta but up to date all the time...
- Matt_Henderson

I prefer reality over theory. Try generalfanager. Good website that is up to date with real salary cap info


Cap space is not an issue for you guys.

Demers would cost similar to Russell.
Yak/Versteeg/Pul combine to around Eberle.
Picks, prospects and others round out trades.
Hendricks, Reinhart, and Letestu out for picks or prospects too.

Trouba would come in around Klef which isnt much more than Larsson.

It is brilliant. I could do better than that moron Chia...but so could a monkey.
- Iggysbff

If you operate in you dream world, sure I imagine it's super easy.

It took 4.5mil for 5 years for him to sign in Florida where its beautiful, warm, and taxes are low. Not (frank)ing chance he takes less than 4 on a 1 year deal to play the 3rd pairing in Edmonton. How you even imagine that scenario is beyond me.

I highly doubt Trouba would accept a long term contract at 4.2mil, but it's hard to say. I'll operate on the early rumors that his ask was 7mil and the more recent rumors that he's asking around 5.5mil.

You say it like it'd be easy to get other teams to take on two separate 1.8mil cap hits. Arizona is just about capped out and they're the only team that's really been making those types of transactions.

Did someone hack your account cause this is among the stupidest things I've read on this site.

I prefer reality over theory.


Cap space is not an issue for you guys.
- Tumbleweed

It is/will be.

Might not be an issue right now, but in 2-3 years, we are going to be counting on young ELC players to make strides in their game and provide us with cheap, yet good options to fill up the gaps in roster.

The money freed up from the Yak trade would have been highly useful in the current situation surrounding the waiver wire frenzy.

But Chia chose to use 3.7m for Russell instead.

Pulkinnen would probably be the better way to go potential wise, but as to P.A. he is at the very least a solid 3rd liner without a doubt in my mind. Plus he is the type of player Chia likes.

Ah well, we'll see what happens.
- EdmHockeyMan

3.1 and no, it wouldn't. They Oilers still have plenty of cap space (around 8mil) that no waiver wire pick up would threaten. Unless you're advocating for something insane like grabbing Michalek and Pavelec.

I don't see how it would be much different in the latter. You could still plug a Maroon up with McDavid and Nuge and Pouliot would make up for any deficiency in their linemate on account of them being the 3rd best line on the team. Pop a Versteeg, Stempniak, or Purcell there any given year and I'm sure they'd still chug along as they do.
- MaximumBone

it seems as though its kinda coming down to hall v lucic here.

i think lucic can absolutely bring an element alongside a star player that is incredibly effective. even if i do think his impact might be hit or miss and he might be far less effective alongside the wrong guy.

that said- none of those issues were there with hall. hes a guy thats not the complimentary type player- hes the driver.
one can almost assume what you and i both have in many cases with connor. saddle hall with a couple far lesser players and he'll still drive the play and be effective. and you get to stack the other lines in some ffashion.

but again, my argument is chicken and egg cause we probably dont have larsson and are a total mess on the backend. as im obviously unwlling to assume the market for nuge and eberle and what they coulda brought back. imo, logic says it wasnt nearly what we hoped and chiarelli certainly tried to shop them before he shopped hall.

oh, I'm sorry you didn't know. You see there's this thing called the Salary Cap that the owners pushed for during one of several lockouts. Teams can no longer spend more than that Cap and bonuses apply to the Cap. It's a longer story, but I assume you'll be reading a lot of Wikipedia while you recover from that coma you've been in.

Oh...you see, Wikipedia is this website that's like Encarta but up to date all the time...
- Matt_Henderson

It's a good think a I enjoy your blogs , I would hate to be on your bad side. Talk about spittin' venom.

it seems as though its kinda coming down to hall v lucic here.

i think lucic can absolutely bring an element alongside a star player that is incredibly effective. even if i do think his impact might be hit or miss and he might be far less effective alongside the wrong guy.

that said- none of those issues were there with hall. hes a guy thats not the complimentary type player- hes the driver.
one can almost assume what you and i both have in many cases with connor. saddle hall with a couple far lesser players and he'll still drive the play and be effective. and you get to stack the other lines in some ffashion.

but again, my argument is chicken and egg cause we probably dont have larsson and are a total mess on the backend as im unwlling to assume the market for nuge and eberle and what they coulda brought back. imo, logic says it wasnt nearly what we hoped and chiarelli certainly tried t shop them before he shopped hall
- HB77

Apparently Minnesota wanted Nuge+ for Dumba Let that sink in.