Apparently Minnesota wanted Nuge+ for Dumba Let that sink in.
- MaximumBone

and Avs wanted Drai for Barrie

3.1 and no, it wouldn't. They Oilers still have plenty of cap space (around 8mil) that no waiver wire pick up would threaten. Unless you're advocating for something insane like grabbing Michalek and Pavelec.
- MaximumBone

Once LD, Nurse, McDavid sign their new contracts, you'll be wondering where all of that "extra cap space went."

Sure Fayne, Ference, and possibly Pouliot might be off the books soon, but LD+Nurse+McDavid is possibly going to cost you about 20m (4 for Nurse, 6 for LD, and 10 for McDavid). Fayne+Ference+Pouliot will only spare you around 10-12m.

Not to mention bonuses and Pulj's contract as well.

I just think that the money for Russell could have been spent on something that would have made a bigger difference for the team. Like trying to acquire Trouba and signing him.

Once LD, Nurse, McDavid sign their new contracts, you'll be wondering where all of that "extra cap space went."

Sure Fayne, Ference, and possibly Pouliot might be off the books soon, but LD+Nurse+McDavid is possibly going to cost you about 20m (4 for Nurse, 6 for LD, and 10 for McDavid). Fayne+Ference+Pouliot will only spare you around 10-12m.

Not to mention bonuses and Pulj's contract as well.

I just think that the money for Russell could have been spent on something that would have made a bigger difference for the team. Like trying to acquire Trouba and signing him.
- EdmHockeyMan

You contradict yourself wildly in this one bro..

It is/will be.

Might not be an issue right now, but in 2-3 years, we are going to be counting on young ELC players to make strides in their game and provide us with cheap, yet good options to fill up the gaps in roster.
- EdmHockeyMan

This isn’t an argument about sliding the contract or not … which you can debate the cheaper option long-term.

His argument is elc contracts are expensive and the bonuses count towards the cap. He’s factually incorrect.

Performance bonuses do not count against the cap until earned. And you can factually overspend the soft cap of $73M up to 7.5% in performance bonuses (i guess this wasn't on wikipedia).

Strictly from a player development perspective, a year in the ahl might be the best thing for puljarivi anyways.

it seems as though its kinda coming down to hall v lucic here.

i think lucic can absolutely bring an element alongside a star player that is incredibly effective. even if i do think his impact might be hit or miss and he might be far less effective alongside the wrong guy.

that said- none of those issues were there with hall. hes a guy thats not the complimentary type player- hes the driver.
one can almost assume what you and i both have in many cases with connor. saddle hall with a couple far lesser players and he'll still drive the play and be effective. and you get to stack the other lines in some ffashion.

but again, my argument is chicken and egg cause we probably dont have larsson and are a total mess on the backend. as im obviously unwlling to assume the market for nuge and eberle and what they coulda brought back. imo, logic says it wasnt nearly what we hoped and chiarelli certainly tried to shop them before he shopped hall.
- HB77

Offense wins games, Defense wins championships (Pittsburgh might be an ambiguous case, but the statement still stands).

Speaking of which, I'm sure most of you would have taken the approach of building a team from the net out instead of the opposite. All in all, this rebuild of ours was a mess to begin with due to bad management of assets.

Apparently Minnesota wanted Nuge+ for Dumba Let that sink in.
- MaximumBone

plus?

jesus


and i really think this is the crux of those that hate the hall deal so much.

they want an alternate reality where we get a comparable guy to larsson for nuge or eberle and it just wasnt there.

if theres any truth to your rumour, its certainly evidence. but even without that, i think logic dictates the same and that those two were certainly shopped before hall was. but i could be wrong

You contradict yourself wildly in this one bro..
- Larsson_fan

How so? Did I miss something?

Sure bringing in Trouba would definitely change the dynamics. You would be looking at Nurse as the potential asset that WPG would want, therefore the 4m + Russell money would be spent on Trouba, P.A., and possibly the fin.

And its not contradicting when you look at what actually will happen in the next coming years. I'm just simply stating that cap space will eventually be tighter for us since we will be handing out bigger contracts than the ones that are going to expire.

This isn’t an argument about sliding the contract or not … which you can debate the cheaper option long-term.

His argument is elc contracts are expensive and the bonuses count towards the cap. He’s factually incorrect.

Performance bonuses do not count against the cap until earned. And you can factually overspend the soft cap of $73M up to 7.5% in performance bonuses (i guess this wasn't on wikipedia).

Strictly from a player development perspective, a year in the ahl might be the best thing for puljarivi anyways.
- Tumbleweed

oh snap!

plus?

jesus


and i really think this is the crux of those that hate the hall deal so much.

they want an alternate reality where we get a comparable guy to larsson for nuge or eberle and it just wasnt there.

if theres any truth to your rumour, its certainly evidence. but even without that, i think logic dictates the same and that those two were certainly shopped before hall was. but i could be wrong
- HB77

Yeah, Dumba isn't even Larsson class....we weren't getting a comparable for Nuge or Eberle.

Hello good folks

Offense wins games, Defense wins championships (Pittsburgh might be an ambiguous case, but the statement still stands).

Speaking of which, I'm sure most of you would have taken the approach of building a team from the net out instead of the opposite. All in all, this rebuild of ours was a mess to begin with due to bad management of assets.
- EdmHockeyMan

platitudes dont help drive your point.

no one has ever said defence isnt important. quite the opposite. what was stated is that losing hall might really hurt any aspirations of being elite going forward.
and its not like without hall we now have a championship caliber defence. (maybe in the future-but point stands)

as far as how i woulda built it, i dont play that game. its like the go to for the trolls. we were dealt the cards we were with the available players in the draft when we decided to rebuild. is what it is.
and most of the hindsight or shoulda took this guy or whatever completely disregards the facts of the situation at the time. not a gm in the league woulda taken trouba at 1 at the time

If you operate in you dream world, sure I imagine it's super easy.

It took 4.5mil for 5 years for him to sign in Florida where its beautiful, warm, and taxes are low. Not (frank)ing chance he takes less than 4 on a 1 year deal to play the 3rd pairing in Edmonton. How you even imagine that scenario is beyond me.

I highly doubt Trouba would accept a long term contract at 4.2mil, but it's hard to say. I'll operate on the early rumors that his ask was 7mil and the more recent rumors that he's asking around 5.5mil.

You say it like it'd be easy to get other teams to take on two separate 1.8mil cap hits. Arizona is just about capped out and they're the only team that's really been making those types of transactions.

Did someone hack your account cause this is among the stupidest things I've read on this site.
- MaximumBone

Hello good folks
- Yeti1181

hey big poppa

Yeah, Dumba isn't even Larsson class....we weren't getting a comparable for Nuge or Eberle.
- Larsson_fan

imo not even close.

certainly better on the pp, but kind of a mess defensively.

and if its between offence and minute eating defence, i take the defence in terms of the oilers needs everyday of the week

platitudes dont help drive your point.

no one has ever said defence isnt important. quite the opposite. what was stated is that losing hall might really hurt any aspirations of being elite going forward.
and its not like without hall we now have a championship caliber defence. (maybe in the future-but point stands)

as far as how i woulda built it, i dont play that game. its like the go to for the trolls. we were dealt the cards we were with the available players in the draft when we decided to rebuild. is what it is.
and most of the hindsight or shoulda took this guy or whatever completely disregards the facts of the situation at the time
- HB77

Absolutely! We are now like Chicago with only one of Toews/Kane, or Pens without Malkin.

imo not even close.

certainly better on the pp, but kind of a mess defensively.

and if its between offence and minute eating defence, i take the defence in terms of the oilers needs everyday of the week
- HB77

Larsson is the tits, IMO, hence the handle.

platitudes dont help drive your point.

no one has ever said defence isnt important. quite the opposite. what was stated is that losing hall might really hurt any aspirations of being elite going forward.
and its not like without hall we now have a championship caliber defence. (maybe in the future-but point stands)

as far as how i woulda built it, i dont play that game. its like the go to for the trolls. we were dealt the cards we were with the available players in the draft when we decided to rebuild. is what it is.
and most of the hindsight or shoulda took this guy or whatever completely disregards the facts of the situation at the time
- HB77

Fair enough.

Absolutely! We are now like Chicago with only one of Toews/Kane, or Pens without Malkin.
- Larsson_fan

hey big poppa
- DDM-Coga

Crosby head getting softer than a marshmallow

imo not even close.

certainly better on the pp, but kind of a mess defensively.

and if its between offence and minute eating defence, i take the defence in terms of the oilers needs everyday of the week
- HB77

As far as Im concerned the Wild should have offered Spurgeon and Dumba for RNH. The Wild's still weak at the C.

- EdmHockeyMan

Well...not exactly...but that's our ceiling now it seems.

As far as Im concerned the Wild should have offered Spurgeon and Dumba for RNH. The Wild's still weak at the C.
- mnhockeyguy

Too late now.

Yeah, Dumba isn't even Larsson class....we weren't getting a comparable for Nuge or Eberle.
- Larsson_fan

Not only that, but GM's knew that we were desperate for a RHD. The leverage of making any deal for such an asset was against us.

As far as Im concerned the Wild should have offered Spurgeon and Dumba for RNH. The Wild's still weak at the C.
- mnhockeyguy

That' goaltending thougb

Once LD, Nurse, McDavid sign their new contracts, you'll be wondering where all of that "extra cap space went."

Sure Fayne, Ference, and possibly Pouliot might be off the books soon, but LD+Nurse+McDavid is possibly going to cost you about 20m (4 for Nurse, 6 for LD, and 10 for McDavid). Fayne+Ference+Pouliot will only spare you around 10-12m.

Not to mention bonuses and Pulj's contract as well.

I just think that the money for Russell could have been spent on something that would have made a bigger difference for the team. Like trying to acquire Trouba and signing him.
- EdmHockeyMan

It's a 1-year deal. Start worrying if they resign him, but until then it's merely a means to reinforce the backend that they can actually count on happening. Whether or not they can acquire and sign Trouba isn't entirely up to them.

I'm gonna try to break this down:

They currently have 8mil in space.

This coming offseason Ference (3.25), Russell (3.1) and Hendricks (1.85) come off the books. That's a total of around 8 million. The only player that will need a raise is Draisaitl. Assuming he has a great season with 55+ points, then we'll assume he gets 6mil (though I doubt he gets that much in reality).

That still leaves them with 10mil in space.

The following year, they see Fayne (3.6), Letestu (1.8) and Maroon's (1.5) contract expire as well as Korpikoski's buyout (1). That's a total of around 8mil as well. Contracts that are up for substantial raises are McDavid (likely around 10mil), Nurse (high end around 4mil) and Davidson (high end around 3.5mil). That's a total of 17.5mil coming out of the 18mil they have in cap space. It's a tight squeeze, but far from impossible.

That'd leave them pretty much at the cap.

The following year, Eberle (6), Pouliot (4) and Talbot (4.2) expire. That's a total of 14mil, but we'll remove Talbot's as that money would have to go towards a goalie. Puljujarvi's contract is the only big raise as of now and even under the assumption that he hits his potential, we'd only be looking at 6mil for his second contract (and even that's high). Depending on what they do with Eberle, they've still got a good amount of space to work with.

That's ignoring the expansion draft (we'll lose something) or the possibility of trading a guy like Sekera. My point is don't worry too much about the cap until we've seen more of guys like Leon and Puljujarvi.