Actually, thus far, Gardiner is right up there with Andersen, tied for second behind Marinicin in terms of being whipped.
- mykokes

Gardiner is perma-whipped though. He is what he is: he'll make one terrible gaff every 8-9 games, which overshadows his solid play the rest of the time.

Bryan McCabe was the same way: for every one-timer rocket from the point, he'd take some bad penalty with his can-opener move.

i watched the whole game.
Marincin played 24 mins he was out there for goals. Him and hunwick do not pass my eye test either
- senstroll

I don't talk about Hunwick because, well, I don't expect him to be here by the All Star break. Marincin though.....he must have nude picks of Babcock or something.

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Gardiner is perma-whipped though. He is what he is: he'll make one terrible gaff every 8-9 games, which overshadows his solid play the rest of the time.

Bryan McCabe was the same way: for every one-timer rocket from the point, he'd take some bad penalty with his can-opener move.
- gravyface

I said this earlier, its not the turnovers that bother me about gardiner, its his lack of hustle once he loses the puck.

I don't talk about Hunwick because, well, I don't expect him to be here by the All Star break. Marincin though.....he must have nude picks of Babcock or something.
- mykokes

With Lou I expect..

Gee, I wonder why? Could it have been the breakaway he just had?
- mykokes

Yeeeaaah....it was kind of a joke.

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...until you fail to backcheck in OT, and then you're dead to me forever.

- RickJames77

I am asking what stats do represent accurately the play that happened?
- senstroll

http://www.canstockphoto....ome-win-5-4-20495030.html

The scoreboard that says 5-4.

- RickJames77

I just finished reading the transcripts with the NPR fact checking. I actually felt a headache come on.
- markmark

It's hilarious.

This election is making me understand the mindset of armed militias

Ask Garnie, I don't look at those stats.
- bixll

I am asking if any do?
Everybody uses stats in some capacity.. Goals assists shots whatever.

i assume you look at box scores and hockey db at some point
None of that tells you what you expect from the stats being posted and are calling garbage..but people use them all day long.

I am asking if any do?
Everybody uses stats in some capacity.. Goals assists shots whatever.

i assume you look at box scores and hockey db at some point
None of that tells you what you expect from the stats being posted and are calling garbage..but people use them all day long.
- senstroll

No,, No.. Don't put words in my mouth.... I am not talking about the everyday stats...And you know it.

I am asking if any do?
Everybody uses stats in some capacity.. Goals assists shots whatever.

i assume you look at box scores and hockey db at some point
None of that tells you what you expect from the stats being posted and are calling garbage..but people use them all day long.
- senstroll

I just don't understand why anyone uses ANY stat outside of Expected Goals For. It's mind bottling.

We talking about that non-backchecking bastard Buston Matthews?
- RickJames77

4uston was too good to be true

Not really. He played decent, wasn't terrible, but not great.
- gravyface

No he played great.
Broke up alot of plays.

No,, No.. Don't put words in my mouth.... I am not talking about the everyday stats...And you know it.
- bixll

point is if those stats are garbage so are every day stats...by your criteria

I just don't understand why anyone uses ANY stat outside of Expected Goals For. It's mind bottling.
- markmark

Because counting shots is easier than doing actual statistical analysis

i watched the whole game.
Marincin played 24 mins he was out there for goals. Him and hunwick do not pass my eye test either
- senstroll

No I agree...but I think that 1st breakaway by Scheifle(sp) thanks to Gards pissed off the coach...I could be wrong...it could have been a couple other small gaffes.

I realize the graphs help a little...but they are not evaluations of talent. I'd rather a guy get hemmed in his own zone and give up a couple extra weak shots than constant 2 on 1's or breakaways or being out muscled in front of your own net for a tap in.

No he played great.
Broke up alot of plays.
- Fakepartofme

Nah.

My fav is Rock and Roll ain't noise pollution.
- bixll

Still think Highway to Hell is their best album, Back in Black a close second. When you listen to them back to back, you can tell some of the songs on Back in Black were written at the time of Highway to Hell, just a different singer added a new dimension to them.

point is if those stats are garbage so are every day stats...by your criteria
- senstroll

No,, it's not..Not at all..

But whatever helps you sleep.

4uston was too good to be true
- Tumbleweed

Hattrick Laine.

Gardiner is perma-whipped though. He is what he is: he'll make one terrible gaff every 8-9 games, which overshadows his solid play the rest of the time.

Bryan McCabe was the same way: for every one-timer rocket from the point, he'd take some bad penalty with his can-opener move.
- gravyface

Once every 8-9 games? Okay...

I just don't understand why anyone uses ANY stat outside of Expected Goals For. It's mind bottling.
- markmark

I agree
http://www.corsica.hockey...nd-expected-goals-part-i/