Speaking of which and this isn't my way of embarrassing anyone. You might see Gudas on the power play if we have absolutely no options....And by no opinions I mean Ghost, Streit, Provorov, Del Zotto, MacDonald or Manning are all either traded or hurt. With this said, you will never see Gudas in OT, nor should we.

Just frustrated with the Gudas is a top pair, two way caliber player argument.
- SuperSchennBros

I also think it was do to the match up.

They didn't want Gioux out there when Zetterberg was starting the OT.

I like Lyubimov and what he brings to the bottom 6 but I wonder if he is the guy to be demoted because he is the only waiver exempt player. that will irk me so much. they are going to need cap space to bring MDZ back
- nastyflyergirl

I really hope not, they've been playing him more and more and I like what I see. My guess is that either AMac gets waived or Schultz gets traded and, among the forwards, I think that their is a good chance that Gordon could get waived as well.

I also think it was do to the match up.

They didn't want Gioux out there when Zetterberg was starting the OT.
- J35Bacher

Matchups are a lot less important at 3 on 3. I'd rather put my most lethal trio on the ice and put the pressure on the other team. At 36, Zetterberg doesn't skate as well as he used to, I think he would have struggled against that trio. Plus, Jake is playing so well right now, that as soon as he gets the puck in OT, the game is likely over.

Good to see VandeVelde get one after getting consistently crapped on in here.

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- ggunky

Yes and no. It's still early in the season and we're a better team than we've shown. I don't think this will bite us.

Can we please go back to starting overtime with Giroux, Jake & Ghost. I don't know why Macdonald and company have started the past 2 overtimes. Both times we are losing possession and getting shellacked for the first half of overtime.

It seems like a really ridiculous strategy...
- dominik7777

That completely baffled me. I was thinking that Hak said (frank) it..I'd rather lose in OT quickly than go to a Shootout. haha

Jake G Ghost is the way to go.

I like Lyubimov and what he brings to the bottom 6 but I wonder if he is the guy to be demoted because he is the only waiver exempt player. that will irk me so much. they are going to need cap space to bring MDZ back
- nastyflyergirl

They'll need to clear about 1.027M when Del Zotto and Laughton are ready to come back. Laughton can go right down to the AHL, but I don't know if they'll do that. They'll have 8 defenseman and 15 forwards when both are ready, so something has to happen.

I also think it was do to the match up.

They didn't want Gioux out there when Zetterberg was starting the OT.
- J35Bacher

Yea I get the tactic. Put Couts out there and defend against Zetterberg. I just think its a bad strategy to play to defend in overtime instead of playing the players that have the best chance to win.

Giroux had been winning draws all night last night. Even with Zetterberg, if Giroux wins that faceoff, the Flyers have possession and a lot of ice to work with. This also makes Zetterberg less likely to score.

Putting Amac out there, puts the Flyers in their own zone for half the period, scrambling to not get scored on.

They'll need to clear about 1.027M when Del Zotto and Laughton are ready to come back. Laughton can go right down to the AHL, but I don't know if they'll do that. They'll have 8 defenseman and 15 forwards when both are ready, so something has to happen.
- MJL

If that is the case then demote Laughton (he could use some games with significant minutes in the AHL) and see if anyone has interest in Schultz. If, due to injury, they find that they need a guy who can play some D and kill penalties, they can always bring up Morin.

Yea I get the tactic. Put Couts out there and defend against Zetterberg. I just think its a bad strategy to play to defend in overtime instead of playing the players that have the best chance to win.

Giroux had been winning draws all night last night. Even with Zetterberg, if Giroux wins that faceoff, the Flyers have possession and a lot of ice to work with. This also makes Zetterberg less likely to score.

Putting Amac out there, puts the Flyers in their own zone for half the period, scrambling to not get scored on.
- dominik7777

Totally on MacDonald, the other two players out there had zero to do with it!

I'm hoping G learns from that lazy half assed attempt to get back and play D.
You're good enough not to try and cherry pick...

Tonight game-plan...pretend it is the Bottom of the 10th and we are down by a run!

Need a Big win vs NYI...

If that is the case then demote Laughton (he could use some games with significant minutes in the AHL) and see if anyone has interest in Schultz. If, due to injury, they find that they need a guy who can play some D and kill penalties, they can always bring up Morin.
- BiggE

I personally would not do that. Too early in the season, and too much hockey to be played. I'd rather just demote MacDonald if I had to. Not interested in bringing up Morin just to fill a team need that was created with a premature trade. Only want to bring up Morin when they feel he is ready, then create the space if needed.

Speaking of which and this isn't my way of embarrassing anyone. You might see Gudas on the power play if we have absolutely no options....And by no opinions I mean Ghost, Streit, Provorov, Del Zotto, MacDonald or Manning are all either traded or hurt. With this said, you will never see Gudas in OT, nor should we.

Just frustrated with the Gudas is a top pair, two way caliber player argument.
- SuperSchennBros

Who is arguing that Gudas is a top-pair player? I think he may be one by default on this team right now, but I don't think anyone thinks he is top-pair material. The closest we have to that is MDZ and he's hurt right now.

I personally would not do that. Too early in the season, and too much hockey to be played. I'd rather just demote MacDonald if I had to. Not interested in bringing up Morin just to fill a team need that was created with a premature trade. Only want to bring up Morin when they feel he is ready, then create the space if needed.
- MJL

I'd be thrilled if they demoted AMac, didn't think you would be though.

I'd be thrilled if they demoted AMac, didn't think you would be though.
- BiggE

It's not about my personal feelings, it's about what is best for the team. I don't feel that MacDonald has solidified his spot in the lineup, or on the team with his play. He's had two poor games, and the rest have been okay.

Good to see VandeVelde get one after getting consistently crapped on in here.
- Baxter27

He probably doesn't belong in the NHL, but for the amount of poop that dude takes here and on twitter, you'd think the guy sucked while making $5million dollars per year and playing top 6 minutes.

He's a 4th line ham-and-egger making 700k. He's hardly the reason why this team is so inconsistent and the amount of energy worrying about him is just silly.

He probably doesn't belong in the NHL, but for the amount of poop that dude takes here and on twitter, you'd think the guy sucked while making $5million dollars per year and playing top 6 minutes.

He's a 4th line ham-and-egger making 700k. He's hardly the reason why this team is so inconsistent and the amount of energy worrying about him is just silly.
- johndewar

He plays a consistent game, despite his limitations. He rarely makes a mistake, and plays his role. Coaches value that, especially when the team as a whole, is not playing structurally well as a team.

He probably doesn't belong in the NHL, but for the amount of poop that dude takes here and on twitter, you'd think the guy sucked while making $5million dollars per year and playing top 6 minutes.

He's a 4th line ham-and-egger making 700k. He's hardly the reason why this team is so inconsistent and the amount of energy worrying about him is just silly.
- johndewar

I think it's less about his play and more about his security. When the coach has to sit a player, somehow CV (for you, Scoob) always gets a pass. All of the other 4th liners, even some 3rd liners, have sat since Hakstol became coach, but never CV. I think that's a part of the problem, that he's teflon compared to everyone else. I agree that he's not the difference between winning a not winning a Cup, but I don't think he's irreplaceable or above sitting at times. But when it comes to a player sitting or getting sent to the AHL to make room, you know that it will not be CV even if he deserves it more than others.

It's not about my personal feelings, it's about what is best for the team. I don't feel that MacDonald has solidified his spot in the lineup, or on the team with his play. He's had two poor games, and the rest have been okay.
- MJL

Yeah, I haven't been impressed with him or Schultz at this point, and will be glad when MDZ returns and I won't be seeing either of em. I'd still take a look and see if anyone has interest in Schultz though, he's in his last year and has a relatively small cap hit. AMac would then still be the 7th, and Morin would only be called up if 2 guys were hurt. Considering he was one of the last cuts, I don't think having Morin as the #8 guy on the depth chart is any kind of stretch at this point. However, if no one is willing to give up anything remotely decent for Schultz, then by all means, demote AMac.

He plays a consistent game, despite his limitations. He rarely makes a mistake, and plays his role. Coaches value that, especially when the team as a whole, is not playing structurally well as a team.
- MJL

I have no problem with that, I just think that once all the forwards are healthy, he should not be one of the 12 that is dressing every night.

Yeah, I haven't been impressed with him or Schultz at this point, and will be glad when MDZ returns and I won't be seeing either of em. I'd still take a look and see if anyone has interest in Schultz though, he's in his last year and has a relatively small cap hit. AMac would then still be the 7th, and Morin would only be called up if 2 guys were hurt. Considering he was one of the last cuts, I don't think having Morin as the #8 guy on the depth chart is any kind of stretch at this point. However, if no one is willing to give up anything remotely decent for Schultz, then by all means, demote AMac.
- BiggE

I'd keep Schultz, if only because, if we do protect Manning and AMac doesn't meet his games, we may need to resign Schultz on the cheap. Plus, he's really good at getting hit with a puck. Unless someone will give you a 3rd or better, which I don't think anyone will.

Also, I think Morin gets called up is a more "defensive" player (Gudas, Manning, Schultz, Provorov) player goes down, but Brennan would replace Ghost or Streit (and MDZ when he comes back). Not sure where AMac fits.

I think it's less about his play and more about his security. When the coach has to sit a player, somehow CV (for you, Scoob) always gets a pass. All of the other 4th liners, even some 3rd liners, have sat since Hakstol became coach, but never CV. I think that's a part of the problem, that he's teflon compared to everyone else. I agree that he's not the difference between winning a not winning a Cup, but I don't think he's irreplaceable or above sitting at times. But when it comes to a player sitting or getting sent to the AHL to make room, you know that it will not be CV even if he deserves it more than others.
- jmatchett383

All coaches have their pet guys that they trust, no matter what.

Vandevelde might be to Hakstol what Jody Hull was to Roger Neilson for all we know.

"Maybe it's our style".
- flyer_nutter

lol but it's going to bite them in the ass really hard soon

I have no problem with that, I just think that once all the forwards are healthy, he should not be one of the 12 that is dressing every night.
- BiggE

He's probably the extra guy in a perfect world, but his presence in the lineup shouldn't make or break this team.

lol but it's going to bite them in the ass really hard soon
- Scoob

They aren't good enough to play that style.