Point being, if Hitler wasn't such an eco-maniac wanting to occupy Moscow because of personal heat with Stalin instead of kicking down the door of Stalingrad, taking the fuel for the Soviet war machine, while resupplying their own, the Soviets likely would have crumbled or at a minimum would have been greatly to critically reduced in their ability to wage any meaningful war.

You're such an idiot

You might be able to argue the American effort in Europe kept France from being ruled by Russia, but the Nazis were going down either way, to the overwhelming force of the Red Army.

And including WW1 really shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

And since you want to go back through history... do you think America won independence from England all by itself? Probably. Because, as previously mentioned, you're a (frank)ing moron.


And as dumb as that magazine cover is, it doesn't mention Houston at all, unless you think the Hurricane managed to only affect one tiny portion of the state?

So just to sum up, you fail at history, geography, and meteorology. Good job idiot.
- Feeling Glucky?

My favourite thing about the American Revolution is that there were only 30,000 British Regular troops in the colonies during that war and somehow it was a close run thing.

Soviets were steamrolled into near submission until winter. They were losing tanks, aircraft and Man power at a 10/1 ratio. The Germans being ill prepared for winter battle due to Hitler's belief that the offensive would be over before winter warfare could commence played at least an equal role in the Nazi's defeat in the east.

Slow troop movements, plunging morale and lack of adequate supplies and equipment allowed Stalin time to reinforce a crumbling line with his battle tested and winter ready Troops from Siberia.
- Cape Breton Bruins

No argument there. But the whole thing was built on such faulty logic, that it was never going to work. The further East the Nazis pushed, the harder supply management got, and the Russians knew this, which is why they implemented their scorched earth policy. The hope Hitler built his initial offensive on was that if you could take Moscow, you'd end the Russian threat... which is moronic. Armies and leaders don't just stop fighting because you took the capital. But even that was just based on the hope that he could just take everything up to Moscow in a matter of months. Russian winter is famous, but from a logistics stand point, Russian mud is just as bad... especially for an army that's whole strategy is built around speed.

Give a listen to Dan Carlin's Ghosts of the Osfront. Amazing set of podcasts on the Eastern front.

No argument there. But the whole thing was built on such faulty logic, that it was never going to work. The further East the Nazis pushed, the harder supply management got, and the Russians knew this, which is why they implemented their scorched earth policy. The hope Hitler built his initial offensive on was that if you could take Moscow, you'd end the Russian threat... which is moronic. Armies and leaders don't just stop fighting because you took the capital. But even that was just based on the hope that he could just take everything up to Moscow in a matter of months. Russian winter is famous, but from a logistics stand point, Russian mud is just as bad... especially for an army that's whole strategy is built around speed.

Give a listen to Dan Carlin's Ghosts of the Osfront. Amazing set of podcasts on the Eastern front.
- Feeling Glucky?

100% agreed

And I will, it's been sometime since I went down the WWII rabbit hole.

Point being, if Hitler wasn't such an eco-maniac wanting to occupy Moscow because of personal heat with Stalin instead of kicking down the door of Stalingrad, taking the fuel for the Soviet war machine, while resupplying their own, the Soviets likely would have crumbled or at a minimum would have been greatly to critically reduced in their ability to wage any meaningful war.
- Cape Breton Bruins

this is actually fascinating. i'm not joking. it is cool how reading about it is like a movie.

how do you remember all of this?

My favourite thing about the American Revolution is that there were only 30,000 British Regular troops in the colonies during that war and somehow it was a close run thing.
- BINGO!

The Maritimes were heavily populated by "loyalists" who fled the American Revolution.

(frank)ing cucks lololololololol

oh wait....

this is actually fascinating. i'm not joking. it is cool how reading about it is like a movie.

how do you remember all of this?
- kicksave856

Very few things can hold my attention to the point of remembering(I'm retarded). I like Music, Sports and some History.

The Maritimes were heavily populated by "loyalists" who fled the American Revolution.

(frank)ing cucks lololololololol

oh wait....
- Cape Breton Bruins

Just flooding the lands we were banished from....

100% agreed

And I will, it's been sometime since I went down the WWII rabbit hole.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Those episodes aren't on his free list anymore, but there's a torrent with his entire back catalog available.

Highly recommend listening. He's the gold standard for history podcasts IMO.

His latest episode is on the Roman genocide of the Celts, and the one before that was on the cold war.

His WW1 podcast is still available for free. I'd never been all that interested in WW1, but this was a great way to get into it.

Those episodes aren't on his free list anymore, but there's a torrent with his entire back catalog available.

Highly recommend listening. He's the gold standard for history podcasts IMO.

His latest episode is on the Roman genocide of the Celts, and the one before that was on the cold war.

His WW1 podcast is still available for free. I'd never been all that interested in WW1, but this was a great way to get into it.
- Feeling Glucky?

he's good but he can, let's say, ramble at times

And while we're on the topic of podcasts, The Daily did an amazing episode on Arpaio earlier this week. It's only 20 minutes long, but it really does a lot to cut through the cartoon villain appearance he has.

In spite of Dopp's views on the Times, Michael Barbarro does an amazing job of presenting the stories he's working on in an unbiased manner, frequently approaching topics from multiple angles, and staying away from the punditry and hyperbole you hear from a lot of sources.

he's good but he can, let's say, ramble at times
- Crimsoninja

Especially on his Common Sense podcast.

Still, I'm good with his ramblings. 1) they come out of his passion for the subject, and 2) they often provide some good context.


But yea, his stuff is a bit of a time commitment. His early episodes were short, but he's gotten into the long form stuff, where each episode is like 5 hours long, and some topics take 5+ episodes to get through.

small brain. the size of a sheep's.
- kicksave856

Interesting note - Brain size in humans doesn't necessarily have a positive correlation to intelligence. Einstein is supposed to have had a smaller than average brain.

It's number of folds that seems to be important.


What I'm trying to say is that he's as smooth as a cueball.

Interesting note - Brain size in humans doesn't necessarily have a positive correlation to intelligence. Einstein is supposed to have had a smaller than average brain.

It's number of folds that seems to be important.


What I'm trying to say is that he's as smooth as a cueball.
- Feeling Glucky?

oh i was picking up what you were putting down.

again, it's funny how a rational conversation went down in here when there wasn't a raving lunatic loser piece of poop bumhole who should kill himself involved.

that was really nice.

again, it's funny how a rational conversation went down in here when there wasn't a raving lunatic loser piece of poop bumhole who should kill himself involved.

that was really nice.
- kicksave856

look I said I was sorry

Especially on his Common Sense podcast.

Still, I'm good with his ramblings. 1) they come out of his passion for the subject, and 2) they often provide some good context.


But yea, his stuff is a bit of a time commitment. His early episodes were short, but he's gotten into the long form stuff, where each episode is like 5 hours long, and some topics take 5+ episodes to get through.
- Feeling Glucky?

I'm 20 minutes into the Celtic Holocaust by the Romans episode right now. He's unreal

im sure he has bullet points, but it's all just one take with zero editing. it's amazing how he can just wind himself up and go

My favourite thing about the American Revolution is that there were only 30,000 British Regular troops in the colonies during that war and somehow it was a close run thing.
- BINGO!

30,000 trained and hardened regulars plus a various assortment of allies like the Husseins and various native tribes. Not to mention the Navy blockading the coast line. Against a ragtag mix of farmers mostly with minimal training. It is a wonder it went on so long.

Also, your numbers are wrong by about half.

30,000 trained and hardened regulars plus a various assortment of allies like the Husseins and various native tribes. Not to mention the Navy blockading the coast line. Against a ragtag mix of farmers mostly with minimal training. It is a wonder it went on so long.

Also, your numbers are wrong by about half.
- Gramps28

farmers and the french

ok im at 58 minutes and i think the first edit just occurred but i can't be certain. he did pause for a second...

farmers and the french
- Crimsoninja

The French, while definitely the final deciding factor, were unable or unwilling to get through the blockade until long after the war began and many of the battles were fought.

The French were waiting to see whether it worth their investment to (frank) with the British across an ocean.

30,000 trained and hardened regulars plus a various assortment of allies like the Husseins and various native tribes. Not to mention the Navy blockading the coast line. Against a ragtag mix of farmers mostly with minimal training. It is a wonder it went on so long.

Also, your numbers are wrong by about half.
- Gramps28

Yeah, a little over 45,000 apparently. My bad.

The French, while definitely the final deciding factor, were unable or unwilling to get through the blockade until long after the war began and many of the battles were fought.

The French were waiting to see whether it worth their investment to (frank) with the British across an ocean.
- Gramps28

$$$

100% agreed

And I will, it's been sometime since I went down the WWII rabbit hole.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Glucks' take on WWI is a bit off too. No Gluck, I am not one who believes the Americans won WWI all by themselves. However, it was the entrance of the Americans into WWI that tipped the numerical scales in favor of the Allies. Its why Germany launched a few offensives trying to force the Allies to the bargaining table before the Americans entered the war.

And while I am at it, the tactics probably would have changed, meaning the involvement of tanks, Pershing refusal to put his men in trenches might have helped expedite the change in tactics.

Yeah, a little over 45,000 apparently. My bad.
- BINGO!

Still off. Close to 60000 at the height of the war.