The only relevant issue is not east west or north south, but rather - was the head the first point of contact.

Answer was clearly NO. NHL PS didn't even need to look at the tape, obvisouly could not be a head shot because everyone knows the Sedins have no head because they are all Hart (Well at least Hank is, but then again, TO cant tell the difference between them)
- Lostinarink

WRONG

Dreger and Mckenzie said NHL DOPS watched the film over 30 times.

It is easier to brace yourself/see a hit if it is north south. That is the argument most people are disagreeing with. It is pretty hard to brace yourself for a hit when the player is coming east west (slightly behind) and follows through with a hit AFTER you have shot the puck and makes contact upon follow-through. I am not saying Kadri should be suspended or shouldn't be. This is more an argument of clarification on the rules rather than should he/shouldn't he be punished.
- Codes1087

I agree with what you are saying, I think blind side hits should be suspension worthy as that is where far too many people get hurt.

You're more articulate than I. But you getting what I'm trying to say?

I don't think you can take predatory behaviour out of the game without really changing the game completely. So let's take these decisions away from the league and back into the players hands. There has to be a more severe punishment then a long penalty or suspension.

Or change the material the body armour is being made of. Those shoulder and elbow shields are crazy.
- bloatedmosquito

Totally agree, shoulders can do just as much damage as elbows. The caps are rockhard. Forcing contact through the chest/body of the intitiator creates a softer impact through the softer part of the equipment and the hitter reducing speed to minimize the impact on them.
If Doughty had led with his shoulder, Daniel would have been seriously injured and Doughty wouldnt have felt much, but how it actually went, Doughty probably got a little winded but both him and Daniel stayed on the next shift.

Either you find a way to eliminate predatory hits, or you change the way they have to hit to mitigate the force

The only relevant issue is not east west or north south, but rather - was the head the first point of contact.

Answer was clearly NO. NHL PS didn't even need to look at the tape, obvisouly could not be a head shot because everyone knows the Sedins have no head because they are all Hart (Well at least Hank is, but then again, TO cant tell the difference between them)
- Lostinarink

They've changed their language in the rule book from saying Principal point of contact, because people assumed that meant first point of contact

to

"a hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable."

I said it the other day and can buy that Sedin's head wasn't the first point of contact but do think it could be characterized as the main point of contact.

There's no problem with Aetherial or Garnie their carrying on engaging conversations, I have taken care of a couple of leaf posters today, and Smokey is walking a fine line with his only asking a simple question Benning is an idiot comment. But he has been warned.

Thanks again for helping out Saturday night, and you will probably be needed on the 3rd of Dec, because I'll be heading back to Ottawa at 04:00 the next day, and won't be able to monitor late into the evening.
- Makita

How about a rule on dec3/4 that any leaf poster in our thread(and vice versa) is an immediate 7 day ban? No questions, no warnings, just ban.

I think you'd be injured almost every time if you went in face 1st.

Or are we putting our arms across the chest sort of thing...hard to do when skating along side the guy when you want to ram him into the boards etc.

Eventually hitting will be gone and you'll only be allowed to rub along the boards etc...especially if concussions go up in the 5 or so years.
- Garnie

that's what I'm saying. You want to plow into someone blindside then a price will be paid. Seems fair to me.

I was taking more about those open ice hits. Not so much along the boards. I think the charging rule takes care of that. If you got the puck and skating along the boards then you got to expect hits from players skating along sside you.

Tony G hard on the Nucks today, called out a few of the players for their lack of response. Hate that guy but I agree with him here!

How about a rule on dec3/4 that any leaf poster in our thread(and vice versa) is an immediate 7 day ban? No questions, no warnings, just ban.
- Retinalz

How about people ignore the posts that annoy them, unless you have a program that reads all the HB posts for you and announces them over your speakers, its easy.

How about people ignore the posts that annoy them, unless you have a program reads all the HB posts for you and announces them over your speakers, its easy.
- belcherbd

How about a rule on dec3/4 that any leaf poster in our thread(and vice versa) is an immediate 7 day ban? No questions, no warnings, just ban.
- Retinalz

You can't stop posters from visiting blogs, the sure fire method is...if it gets out of hand, both blogs will be locked.

How about people ignore the posts that annoy them, unless you have a program that reads all the HB posts for you and announces them over your speakers, its easy.
- belcherbd

The first poster of every thread should thank carol and add this piece

I mean Henrik falls down on like 75% of faceoffs...
- NorthNuck

Which makes me think that either he's not fully recovered from his undisclosed injury from last season or he has re-injured said undisclosed injury. (I believe that there was some conjecture that it may have been a hip injury.)

How about a rule on dec3/4 that any leaf poster in our thread(and vice versa) is an immediate 7 day ban? No questions, no warnings, just ban.
- Retinalz

I’m not sure why it’s necessary to create rules to avoid all conflict.

Personal insults etc. I get. But this place will be pretty dry if anyone with a differing hockey opinion is shut out.

Which makes me think that either he's not fully recovered from his undisclosed injury from last season or he has re-injured said undisclosed injury. (I believe that there was some conjecture that it may have been a hip injury.)
- Marwood

Hank couldn't stay on his feet early in his career. He's probably just regressing.

Which makes me think that either he's not fully recovered from his undisclosed injury from last season or he has re-injured said undisclosed injury. (I believe that there was some conjecture that it may have been a hip injury.)
- Marwood

Like I was saying before about back injuries and how they just keep coming back, hips are the same way. There are some fundamental body parts that once they get messed up they never come back 100%

I’m not sure why it’s necessary to create rules to avoid all conflict.

Personal insults etc. I get. But this place will be pretty dry if anyone with a differing hockey opinion is shut out.
- Tumbleweed

When we aren't playing the Leafs we still have lively discussions, with differing opinions, and it is still interesting if not entertaining... sans bans and such.

The only relevant issue is not east west or north south, but rather - was the head the first point of contact.

Answer was clearly NO. NHL PS didn't even need to look at the tape, obvisouly could not be a head shot because everyone knows the Sedins have no head because they are all Hart (Well at least Hank is, but then again, TO cant tell the difference between them)
- Lostinarink

Ted Kennedy won the Hart as a leaf in 1955. Last one I believe. Before expansion from the original six teams. Those were the golden years eh?

God damn expansion ruined everything for the leafs. Who needs more than six teams anyway right?

Which makes me think that either he's not fully recovered from his undisclosed injury from last season or he has re-injured said undisclosed injury. (I believe that there was some conjecture that it may have been a hip injury.)
- Marwood

He's just soft.

On Tuesday, Trevor Linden specified a few of Henrik’s injuries, confirming his hip and back issues through Christmas and shoulder injury suffered against the Islanders. Then he added one more injury to the list: a broken finger.

Ted Kennedy won the Hart as a leaf in 1955. Last one I believe. Before expansion from the original six teams. Those were the golden years eh?

God damn expansion ruined everything for the leafs. Who needs more than six teams anyway right?
- bloatedmosquito

If expansion ruined everything for the Leafs, what's the Canucks' excuse?

When we aren't playing the Leafs we still have lively discussions, with differing opinions, and it is still interesting if not entertaining... sans bans and such.
- hillbillydeluxe

If I wanted to talk to leafs fans only, then I would find a leafs only site.

I think one of the better things about this site is the interaction between fans of different teams; for better or worse.

If expansion ruined everything for the Leafs, what's the Canucks' excuse?
- 1979AD

expansion in 1970

If expansion ruined everything for the Leafs, what's the Canucks' excuse?
- 1979AD

Stupid owners, dim managers, and bad coaches.

I think that sums it up nicely.

Meh, I don't think it’s an issue about the hit.

It's the consistency from the league that's an issue.
- bloatedmosquito

I think someone posted a decision yesterday from a year or two ago where the guy got suspended because, even though the first point of contact was the shoulder, it was determined that he just grazed the shoulder before following through to the head. If you look at Kadri's hit he definitely caught Sedin's head but it looks like there was at least some contact made to the shoulder first. I guess they decided that he got enough of the shoulder before the head rather than grazing it but I don't know how you can make that determination. Show me that hit beside the hit where the shoulder was grazed (suspension worthy) and I doubt I could tell the difference. So yeah, inconsistency is the problem here. They've painted themselves into a corner by trying to determine where the force of the hit was (which is kind of dumb luck and doesn't really speak to intent anyway). They could make this so much more simple if they just used blindside hits as the determining factor. Any idiot can look at a video and tell if someone is hit on their blindside or not. Those are dangerous hits.

that's what I'm saying. You want to plow into someone blindside then a price will be paid. Seems fair to me.

I was taking more about those open ice hits. Not so much along the boards. I think the charging rule takes care of that. If you got the puck and skating along the boards then you got to expect hits from players skating along sside you.
- bloatedmosquito

You guys were saying chest 1st...I guess I was taking it too literally.

But the better check is with the arms crossed on the chest rather than leading with the shoulder...I don't see that as chest 1st...but I get the drift now.

There's no problem with Aetherial or Garnie their carrying on engaging conversations, I have taken care of a couple of leaf posters today, and Smokey is walking a fine line with his only asking a simple question Benning is an idiot comment. But he has been warned.

Thanks again for helping out Saturday night, and you will probably be needed on the 3rd of Dec, because I'll be heading back to Ottawa at 04:00 the next day, and won't be able to monitor late into the evening.
- Makita