I think what you have lost sight of is that the Canucks have no assets to sell and they are already at the bottom, they are building through the draft, and the actions of previous general managers absolutely has something to do with the predicament today.

Would I approach the twins and ask if they would be willing to accept a trade? Absolutely, but they might not be up for that.
- 1970vintage

No one is saying previous GM's don't share a portion of the blame for this team's current state.

But only one mgmt is responsible for deciding to continue to " go for it" regardless if you are talking about the leafs finally coming to that conclusion or the Canucks still not ready.

I think what you have lost sight of is that the Canucks have no assets to sell and they are already at the bottom, they are building through the draft, and the actions of previous general managers absolutely has something to do with the predicament today.

Would I approach the twins and ask if they would be willing to accept a trade? Absolutely, but they might not be up for that.
- 1970vintage

trade tanev, edler and hansen.. they will get you something

id also move burrows and miller at the deadline

granlund, sven and gaunce can leave too but they wont bring anything back

Probably right.

Hansen will likely have some value (but that's why JB is loathe to move him).
Edler has a NTC. Although i've thought that Detroit would be a good spot for him.
If Dorsett gets us a 3rd/4th. That's gravy.
I would not move Baetschi either. Good contract, low value.
Sbisa is LV insurance.
Tanev i would move for the right price.
- dbot

We should keep 1 of edler/tanev. As good as Tanev is, I would trade him as he gives the biggest return, and will likely be starting his decline by the time we are looking to truly compete again.

No problem with that just don't extend them.
- Marwood

I hear you and agree with your previous post regarding them. I have no problem with them on the team for as long as they want as long as mgmt don't continue holding onto the idea that the window is still open.

God damn I miss meaningful trades.

*switches NHL 2016 on*
- bloatedmosquito

Here you go...

2x Sedin (retain half salary for each) to Montreal for Galchenyuk, 2017 1st, 2018 1st and 2018 2nd (from Chicago)

WD is staying positive, saying they have been playing well aside from the TO game. The problem is the stakeholders don't see it that way. Tomorrow morning they will see 0-10
- VanHockeyGuy

are we all stakeholders or just the folks buying tickets and attending games?

I don't think they have come very close to putting a complete effort into games, it is disappointing and you are prolly right about tomorrow morning.

how many seasons will we see of this if they do or don''t liquidate and acquire more picks?

beyond Boeser, is there any forward prospect with top 6 potential in the system?

if we had a couple more wins, would it feel this depressing around here?

(ps, I like your new avatar)

I seen in the last thread we got a visit by our favorite troll.

He said he got married

We ll it will be easy to know where he is from now. You just have too Google which states allow you to marry your sister? I wonder if it was a shotgun marriage?

The only problem I see is that while they are still here ownership & management are going to keep up with the 'we're a competitive team and our goal is to make the playoffs' mantra.

It's becoming glaringly obvious that the tiny bubble of owners, managers & possibly the Sedins, are the only ones who believe this.
- Marwood

As long as they lose I'm cool.

No one is saying previous GM's don't share a portion of the blame for this team's current state.

But only one mgmt is responsible for deciding to continue to " go for it" regardless if you are talking about the leafs finally coming to that conclusion or the Canucks still not ready.
- belcherbd

That's not how I read it. Lefty seems pretty adamant that the past does not influence the present. The current management can't simply "decide" to rebuild if they can't move existing contracts for futures

Trade Edler, Tanev, Hansen, Dorsett and baertschi. Buyout Sbisa. Sign a bunch of free agents. Send all the picks back to juniors or AHL (European). Another losing season then bring up previous years top picks. Resign the sedins one year 1 million each.
- manvanfan

Some of those players should go thats for sure.

trade tanev, edler and hansen.. they will get you something

id also move burrows and miller at the deadline

granlund, sven and gaunce can leave too but they wont bring anything back
- mauryballstein

Realistically, Tanev is the only one you could trade...

I seen in the last thread we got a visit by our favorite troll.

He said he got married

We ll it will be easy to know where he is from now. You just have too Google which states allow you to marry your sister? I wonder if it was a shotgun marriage?
- VANTEL

well some folks require a little persuasion to say yes.

The game was Saturday. It's Tuesday and he's still here.
- Marwood

Yeah time for warnings has passed.

That's not how I read it. Lefty seems pretty adamant that the past does not influence the present. The current management can't simply "decide" to rebuild if they can't move existing contracts for futures
- 1970vintage

I'm not going to speak for Lefty but as I understood the conversation was about him admiring the leafs for finally pressing the reset button and hoping that the Canucks can do the same.

Moving contracts is one element of rebuilding and you are right it can be difficult but I think the bigger indictment of mgmt not deciding to rebuild is signing and acquiring players like Miller, Eriksson, Sutter, gudbransen as well as taking shortcuts like baertcshi, etem, clendening, granlund in the hope that they will accelerate the "rebuild".

Yeah time for warnings has passed.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Yeah I'll get all Dozzer on him, then most guys can get back to eating their own.

Realistically, Tanev is the only one you could trade...
- 1970vintage

and Hansen

Well the last few days was hell. As a Canucks fan living in Toronto has been rough to say the least. Here are my gripes so far.
When Benning got here he identified that this team lacked toughness. So we got tryamkin, Dorsett, EG. 2 players from our team get knocked out on the same play and the only guy responding is the one that was knocked out? What happened to standing up for one another. Then a teeney rookie gets jumped by a goon and the only person responding is Miller? Miller is barely 160lbs soaking wet.
The push back we get is spear and death threats after the game? This has been a systemic problem with the Canucks team from back in AV days. Don't push back. Don't fight. Get the PP.
If the powerplays sucks then laying down and getting a PP has no value. Atleast show that we have some bite.
Second, WD makes some really dumb moves sometimes. The rookie is jumped and WD decides to bench him the next game. Is that some sort of punishment? If you want to bench anyone and send his d partner to the box for not coming to the rescue.
Third, our so called master talent evaluator JB missed the most fundamental thing, the actual strengths of players. LE is a blue paint player. He earns his living banging in rebounds and tipping shots. JB brings him here to play with the Sedins that don't shoot and just cycle the puck.
And lastly, I now have to go the leafs game tonight wearing Mathews jersey because I lost a bet on the Nucks and leafs game. This sucks!

Yeah I'll get all Dozzer on him, then most guys can get back to eating their own.
- Makita

better us than them.

Yeah I'll get all Dozzer on him, then most guys can get back to eating their own.
- Makita

Hmmmmmmmmmm Marwood pie.

OK, you are against the Sedin investment after the fact. So are all of us. Thats my point. After the fact. You butted heads with people(mostly Vantel) who suggested ways to circumnavigate the honor of these contracts because it would be morally wrong and heartless. That seems like your solution now. Or what is it? Because they are not getting traded.

The Pres/GM has their orders when they sign the contract with the owner and get reminded of this. The coach has to win to save his job because this team is not in re-build. It totally influences how he plays the young players as well... the helplessness of the situation is totally tied into the day the Sedins signed. I doubt they are going retire at the end of the season either.

You were quiet when the time passed to "commit" to a re-build. Now we wait, while you criticize.
- boonerbuck

I seriously don't understand your angle? I have no issue with the Sedin deals, they were trying to elongate their competitive window. What's happening now is it's just time to rebuild, let the twins ride out their contract and say thanks, it's been great.

Hockey is a fluid sport, things change. I don't give a poop about the past, I care about the future.

and Hansen
- A_SteamingLombardi

Though Hansen as a limited ntc

Realistically, Tanev is the only one you could trade...
- 1970vintage

Many teams would take Hansen and even Edler.

Though Hansen as a limited ntc
- 1970vintage

That wont stop Benning.

Discuss...

as expected, @DarrenDreger confirms on @tsn1040 that other GMs are circling and asking #Canucks Benning about Boeser & Juolevi
— Jeff Paterson (@patersonjeff) November 8, 2016
- Iggysbff

No Chance this is true

That would be approaching Mike Millbury level of stupid.

I'm not going to speak for Lefty but as I understood the conversation was about him admiring the leafs for finally pressing the reset button and hoping that the Canucks can do the same.

Moving contracts is one element of rebuilding and you are right it can be difficult but I think the bigger indictment of mgmt not deciding to rebuild is signing and acquiring players like Miller, Eriksson, Sutter, gudbransen as well as taking shortcuts like baertcshi, etem, clendening, granlund in the hope that they will accelerate the "rebuild".
- belcherbd

The Leafs have been pushing that button since Burke was hired, I'm not buying it. They have been bad for a long time and it is starting to pay off. Until you can trade the twins, or they retire, there is no rebuild. And because the farm system was so pathetic, they had to make some of theses moves just to have a full roster.