In a democratic league wins are a right of every team, regardless of skill, stature, or position. Not just for a privileged few.

Wins should not be some unattainable dream. But rather a reasonable expectation of a fan base that has endured so many lows but yet has risen to such great heights.

Shall we sing?
- bloatedmosquito

AGreed.

you can't really compare 2 franchises like Van and Tor.
They are/were in different stages.

I see JB as comparable to the stage when Nonis/Burke was brought in. Still competitive (at least trying to be), still trying to win. It's unclear how that plays out.

Shanahan/Lou were brought in with the specific mandate to tear it down. JB was not. If things continue to go south, our next GM might just be tasked with that job.

I like the idea of bringing in new blood every year as well.
- dbot

I've often thought about the same comparison. Also, I agree about the next GM as well. I figured from day 1 that neither WD or JB would be here when the Sedins retire and we go into a full rebuild.

That is one of my points. You are ok with signing those contracts and they stand in the way of this phase you think we have should have started. It conflicts.

Another point is you admire Toronto for not deviating from the re-build after 2 seasons. It's a little early for that don't you think. Lets see if they stick to the plan first.
- boonerbuck

They were in the running for Stamkos, and I imagine they will be in the running for Tavares. Immediately that kind of move puts you into win-now, so you are right that we should wait and see how committed they are to it

I will say, despite the temptation and push from fans/media, keeping their prospects in the AHL last year did them some good. Nylander, Hyman, Brown, Shoshnikov, spent the bulk of the year down there and they look more comfortable at the NHL now

Split the Swedes.

Daniel/Bo/Hansen
Sven/Henrik/JV
Granlund/Sutter/Erikson
Burrows/Ganune/Dorsett.
- dbot

Send JV Hutton Gaunce down for a year.
Burrows has 9 goals in 90 games

Move Tanev and Hansen, we are not winning anyways

Sedins Eriksson
Rodin Bo Sutter
Sven Grandlund Dorsett
Grenier Labate ?

Edler Stecher
Tryamkin Gudbrandson
Sbisa Biega

Larssen

Send JV Hutton Gaunce down for a year.
Burrows has 9 goals in 90 games

Move Tanev and Hansen, we are not winning anyways

Sedins Eriksson
Rodin Bo Sutter
Sven Grandlund Dorsett
Grenier Labate ?

Edler Stecher
Tryamkin Gudbrandson
Sbisa Biega

Larssen
- VANTEL

Not bad, for post tdl.
My lineup was more what a lineup could look like if you split the 3 pass first swedes

Sure. Why not. Then only 3,000 fans watch games next year. Aquillini moves the team to Seattle. Do you even know this market?
- Rocket_Launcher

great, then Galardi can move his real team here.

great, then Galardi can move his real team here.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Gagliardi was the owner we needed.

Gagliardi was the owner we needed.
- RealityChecker

Haven't gone to 17 yet? The other day in franchise mode I took the Ducks and traded away Perry, Getzlaf, Kesler, Bernier, and Bieksa in a bunch of trades for 1sts, 2nds, Kucherov, Vasilevsky, and Zebanejad. Team still made the playoffs as one of the top teams in the league, and I had 3 1sts and 3 2nds in the draft.
- NorthNuck

When is the next roster update. I am tired of waiting for Stetcher/Demko and it is annoying needing to create them as it is hard to gauge their ovr/pot.

It's too early to call!

Gagliardi was the owner we needed.
- RealityChecker

Hell yeah

Not bad, for post tdl.
My lineup was more what a lineup could look like if you split the 3 pass first swedes
- dbot

I put together that lineup so the young players can develop in Utica. Build their game , get confidence and get big minutes. It has little to do with helping this years Canucks

Vrbata is ahead of all Canucks in scoring, while playing 2 less games. (Currently on pace for 30 goals and 52 points.)

Vrbata is ahead of all Canucks in scoring, while playing 2 less games. (Currently on pace for 30 goals and 52 points.)
- EastVan

He's obviously better when he's not pouting.

They were in the running for Stamkos, and I imagine they will be in the running for Tavares. Immediately that kind of move puts you into win-now, so you are right that we should wait and see how committed they are to it

I will say, despite the temptation and push from fans/media, keeping their prospects in the AHL last year did them some good. Nylander, Hyman, Brown, Shoshnikov, spent the bulk of the year down there and they look more comfortable at the NHL now
- WhiteLie

IKR, not to mention they just traded a 1st rounder for Anderson. How committed is a team that trades a 1st rounder less than 3 years into a rebuild. Holy poop would JB get crucified for that.

I put together that lineup so the young players can develop in Utica. Build their game , get confidence and get big minutes. It has little to do with helping this years Canucks
- VANTEL

I can see that.
It's a pretty realistic lineup, if JB sells the tradeable assets and sends the kids to Utica.

i think Hutton is best served in the bigs though.

IKR, not to mention they just traded a 1st rounder for Anderson. How committed is a team that trades a 1st rounder less than 3 years into a rebuild. Holy poop would JB get crucified for that.
- boonerbuck

To be fair they did have 12 of them.

That is one of my points. You are ok with signing those contracts and they stand in the way of this phase you think we have should have started. It conflicts.

Another point is you admire Toronto for not deviating from the re-build after 2 seasons. It's a little early for that don't you think. Lets see if they stick to the plan first.
- boonerbuck

I don't think they stand in the way of a rebuild, they aren't making a difference in that the team is continually losing with them so it really doesn't matter.

IMO you need veterans when you play kids, it's part of the process.

Who said I admire Toronto for not deviating from their rebuild? What I admire is they recognized they needed one in the first place, that's where my admiration lies.

He's obviously better when he's not pouting.
- Marwood

I can see that.
It's a pretty realistic lineup, if JB sells the tradeable assets and sends the kids to Utica.

i think Hutton is best served in the bigs though.
- dbot

With Hutton he is right there but maybe a year of developing his shot and learning the game more may do him good

I don't think they stand in the way of a rebuild, they aren't making a difference in that the team is continually losing with them so it really doesn't matter.

IMO you need veterans when you play kids, it's part of the process.

Who said I admire Toronto for not deviating from their rebuild? What I admire is they recognized they needed one in the first place, that's where my admiration lies.
- LeftCoaster

This brings me back to my original LOL!

Admiring a team for recognizing they were doing it wrong for decades is pretty funny. It wasn't timely at all... it was pathetically late. Timely would be Gillis moving on from the Sedins or Burke Keeping those picks he gave up for Kessel and starting then.

This brings me back to my original LOL!

Admiring a team for recognizing they were doing it wrong for decades is pretty funny. It wasn't timely at all... it was pathetically late. Timely would be Gillis moving on from the Sedins or Burke Keeping those picks he gave up for Kessel and starting then.
- boonerbuck

You need to let go of the idea their current management is in any way linked to their past management. If they had the same GM for the past 49 years your argument may have some validity, but they didn't. What Ballard did has absolutely NOTHING to do with Shanahan saying they've floundered as an organization for long enough. Let's do what every other successful team has done, build through the draft.

It's like you're blaming your grandfather because you turned out to be such a loser....not you personally but you get what I mean.

I admire any organization that rebuilt thru the draft, from first round picks to seventh round picks, and turned themselves into a contender. I don't know why you're so hung up on Toronto?

The Lightning, Penguins, Bruins, Red Wings, Hawks, Kings, 80's & Present day Oilers, the 80's Islanders, etc. etc. all built competitive teams thru drafting. The present Oilers did it recently thru luck & incompetence but it looks like they got there finally

When is the next roster update. I am tired of waiting for Stetcher/Demko and it is annoying needing to create them as it is hard to gauge their ovr/pot.
- Retinalz

If I remember correctly they try to do them once or twice a month so it shouldnt be too long. Id put Boeser at a high top 6 forward or medium/low elite. Demko is impossible to gauge, maybe high potential fringe starter?

I agree though its frustrating that our best prospects arent included and therefore the team consistantly sucks in simulations

You can tell burrows doesnt have confidence in his ability to put up points anymore. Was think pass to horvat 100% on the way

It is interesting listening to Dan Rosen during periods. Two more Canucks thriving in a different system.

Canucks do need to change the surrounding players and their style