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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 9 @ 3:27 PM ET
VDV for Congress?
- dragonoffrost

Ha, he'd fit right in!
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 9 @ 3:35 PM ET
Not sure if this was discussed yesterday, but this article does a pretty good job of trying to use some 5 on 5 metrics that might possibly explain some of Dave Hakstol's decisions with his forwards:

http://www.broadstreethoc...est-in-the-offensive-zone

Sorry if Leight/Laught.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 9 @ 3:38 PM ET
Ha, he'd fit right in!
- BiggE

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:06 PM ET
so you're saying "H E double hockey sticks" was actually a documentary?
- YuenglingJagr




I watched that on the Disney Channel like 13 years ago.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:07 PM ET
VDV for Congress?
- dragonoffrost


Only after they put in term limits. Because (frank) no if they don't. He'll never leave office despite the fact he doesn't actually do anything.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 9 @ 4:08 PM ET
Not sure if this was discussed yesterday, but this article does a pretty good job of trying to use some 5 on 5 metrics that might possibly explain some of Dave Hakstol's decisions with his forwards:

http://www.broadstreethoc...est-in-the-offensive-zone

Sorry if Leight/Laught.

- johndewar

analytics are bullpoop source donald trump's election
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:09 PM ET
analytics are bullpoop source donald trump's election
- 2Real


Wrong. The Corsi predicted a Trump victory.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:10 PM ET
Only after they put in term limits. Because (frank) no if they don't. He'll never leave office despite the fact he doesn't actually do anything.
- Mononoke


Which is why I said it. He'll definitely fit right in!
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:10 PM ET
VDV: Secretary of Skating Up And Down The Wing Accomplishing Nothing
- BiggE


He voted for Hilary
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:21 PM ET
Not sure if this was discussed yesterday, but this article does a pretty good job of trying to use some 5 on 5 metrics that might possibly explain some of Dave Hakstol's decisions with his forwards:

http://www.broadstreethoc...est-in-the-offensive-zone

Sorry if Leight/Laught.

- johndewar


Seems to me like it is the Allen Iverson effect
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 9 @ 4:22 PM ET
Wrong. The Corsi predicted a Trump victory.
- Mononoke

Corsi = majority/popular vote

Hillary won the Corsi, but her shot quality wasn't as good and she didn't get the one or 2 big saves she needed.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:26 PM ET
Seems to me like it is the Allen Iverson effect
- YuenglingJagr


Not really. He mentioned individual generation, like you are alluding to, but also on-ice based offensive zone scores. It's a weird stat not without validity, but yeah, looking at that in isolation is just wrong.

It's based on expectations too, not just actual performance. So, if a player sucks and always dumps the puck in (which should yield a lower expected total of shots than someone who can skate it in), but manages to generate a few more shots than their meager expectation, then they may be outperforming their expected results but still doing mediocre as a whole. And of course, if a player has a low expected shot total, there is a good chance they are doing crappy in scoring chances and other stuff as well. It's an interesting stat though to isolate play solely to a particular zone.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 9 @ 4:27 PM ET
Seems to me like it is the Allen Iverson effect
- YuenglingJagr


Referring to practice time?

Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:28 PM ET
Corsi = majority/popular vote

Hillary won the Corsi, but her shot quality wasn't as good and she didn't get the one or 2 big saves she needed.

- Nucker101


Trump won the Fenwick. Hillary just loaded up on CA and NY and IL. She may have shot more, but it was just into metaphorical AMac's legs. Trump knows how to get his shots through better.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:30 PM ET
Corsi = majority/popular vote

Hillary won the Corsi, but her shot quality wasn't as good and she didn't get the one or 2 big saves she needed.

- Nucker101

I love using hockey references in any part of life
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
Not really. He mentioned individual generation, like you are alluding to, but also on-ice based offensive zone scores. It's a weird stat not without validity, but yeah, looking at that in isolation is just wrong.

It's based on expectations too, not just actual performance. So, if a player sucks and always dumps the puck in (which should yield a lower expected total of shots than someone who can skate it in), but manages to generate a few more shots than their meager expectation, then they may be outperforming their expected results but still doing mediocre as a whole. And of course, if a player has a low expected shot total, there is a good chance they are doing crappy in scoring chances and other stuff as well. It's an interesting stat though to isolate play solely to a particular zone.

- Mononoke


I know...just using some hyperbole, but I do think there could be some Dustin Brown in there. It is also just offensive numbers, but like always sunny charlie said, it could have something to do with why these clowns keep getting played
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 9 @ 4:44 PM ET
AMAC isn't on LTIR so he's still against the cap.
- dragonoffrost


Players on LTIR are still against the Cap.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 9 @ 4:47 PM ET
Hatrik Laine is the best nickname since S2TP
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 9 @ 4:49 PM ET
I love using hockey references in any part of life
- YuenglingJagr


I used "eye test" in a meeting today and I'm certain that is some bleed over from sports message board nonsense.

I may slip in the term "Corsi" accidentally/on purpose in a meeting with my boss tomorrow just to mess with him. He likes to micromanage, so it'll drive him nuts that if I mention something in passing he doesn't know about.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 4:58 PM ET
This was a mini rebellion against the elite.

People tired of the status quo of the rich getting richer, and the average persons quality of life going down.

For that. You got balls America. Hell of a job for people to see past the propaganda by the media in favour of Clinton which only a fool would deny.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 9 @ 5:00 PM ET
This was a mini rebellion against the elite.

People tired of the status quo of the rich getting richer, and the average persons quality of life going down.

For that. You got balls America.

- flyer_nutter


You're only authorized to talk about Justin Trudeau.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Nov 9 @ 5:03 PM ET
You're only authorized to talk about Justin Trudeau.
- Mononoke


Say what you will, but that pretty boy is going to let Canada get dragged through the mud when it comes to standing up to Trump.

Anyway enough "politics".
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 9 @ 5:08 PM ET
Say what you will, but that pretty boy is going to let Canada get dragged through the mud when it comes to standing up to Trump.

Anyway enough "politics".

- flyer_nutter

Just from a pure curiosity/entertainment standpoint, it'll be interesting to see how 2 guys with so little political history will run these countries(Trudeau only started in like 08 I believe).
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 9 @ 5:19 PM ET
Btw I have a feeling tonight will be the end of my avatar
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 9 @ 5:32 PM ET
This was a mini rebellion against the elite.

People tired of the status quo of the rich getting richer, and the average persons quality of life going down.

For that. You got balls America. Hell of a job for people to see past the propaganda by the media in favour of Clinton which only a fool would deny.

- flyer_nutter

If we elected Trump as a rebellion against the elite than we're a total bunch of (frank)ing idiots.
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