jesus the flames are bad

they look tentative and very slow

If he keeps getting the benefit of a doubt, season will be over! This team is better than this, even if it is on the players I still blame the coach. Ultimately it's his lineup decisions weather good or bad that have produced this mess!
- K-man25

Something is definitely not right. GG mixes it up but for some reason Chaisson is still with Mony and Johnny. Not sure about Dougie either this season....that dive to block on the first goal tonight was horrible. Just hoping they turn it around and fix thst top line with someone else.....Chaisson is not working.

A stick in the Elliott`s throat seemed to get the entire team going. Maybe they need some kind of spark like Hathaway coming in. GG looks like he`s in over his head.

What happens next? Nothing, because it's still early? A trade because the team is complacent and needs a serious wake-up call? A new manager? Could we see someone like Ron Wilson? What about Dave Cameron? Has he had a performance review lately?
It sure looks to me like the team isn't playing for the coach.
Somebody said Giordano got Hartley fired. If that's true would they let players fire GG as well? Or would BB/BT say enough is enough and make a blockbuster trade to shake things up and stick with GG?
Anyone got some inside poop?

Haven't seen the Flames drag their feet and hang their heads like that since the Keenan era.. The team looked like they didn't want to be there.

What happens next? Nothing, because it's still early? A trade because the team is complacent and needs a serious wake-up call? A new manager? If so, would BB make BT bring in Ron Wilson? What about Dave Cameron?
It sure looks to me like they're not playing for the coach.
Somebody said Giordano got Hartley fired. If that's true would they let players fire GG as well? Or would BB/BT say enough is enough and make a blockbuster trade to shake things up and stick with GG?
Anyone got some inside poop?
- itwasin

Inside poop? Not these guys...they just repeat what they hear from Peter Labardious...and he clearly knows (frank) all about (frank) all.

Inside poop? Not these guys...they just repeat what they hear from Peter Labardious...and he clearly knows (frank) all about (frank) all.
- Larsson_fan

Google searching that name brings up other morons who can't spell and don't like Lou. Interesting.

Worst in the league right now, I'd say the wheels fell off but I doubt they were even on yet this year. Ugly.

Fault Hartley all you want but it was never this bad. Someone else mentioned something about us losing and not scoring, I agree, it's one thing to lose but to have the players suffering to collect points is salt in the wound.

Burke was talking about the top players not performing but it has to go deeper. If a coach brings in new systems that suck the life out of your top guys then who do you blame?

The defense looks absolutely lost on both sides of the puck, the forwards are not scoring, and the goaltenders can't clean up the mess. What to do!!!????

One factor that'll shake things up is poor attendance.

Amazingly, attendance at Flames away games is rated at 100% (top 3 in the league) - presumably due to the JG effect.
(Don't gloat because Oilers away attendance is 125% - that's not a misprint - presumably it's the McDavid effect.)

But the home attendance - the number that matters to Flames ownership is 24th in the league - barely over 16000 per game. That's more than 3000 less than a sellout (19289). (By comparison, it's only 6% higher than the Coyotes home attendance.)

In the past 13 years the home attendance has never dropped below 99%. Last year it was 99.3% This year it's 84%.

That'll force chance sooner than later even if nothing else does.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

Hired wrong coach, fired right coach. This keeps up good bye gm.

Apparently, Calgarians weren't told how much work Ken King has put into the Calgary Next project. (Presumably, they didn't want to scare taxpayers too much.)
The CBC has obtained a copy of a secret briefing book containing detailed architectural drawings down to the layout of dressing rooms and coaches offices.

There's even one mockup that shows Olympic rings on the walls of the Stadium.
So it would appear that KK and Mr. Edwards are truly going for a bases-loaded home run.



Source: http://www.cbc.ca/news/ca...-stadium-flames-1.3846167

Hired wrong coach, fired right coach. This keeps up good bye gm.
- hockey_talk079

GG might not be the right coach. But Hartley was awful as well. Maybe it really is the players?

GG might not be the right coach. But Hartley was awful as well. Maybe it really is the players?
- Iggysbff

Not likely gonna have many Flames fans agree....all their players are awesome, remember?

One factor that'll shake things up is poor attendance.

Amazingly, attendance at Flames away games is rated at 100% (top 3 in the league) - presumably due to the JG effect.
(Don't gloat because Oilers away attendance is 125% - that's not a misprint - presumably it's the McDavid effect.)

But the home attendance - the number that matters to Flames ownership is 24th in the league - barely over 16000 per game. That's more than 3000 less than a sellout (19289). (By comparison, it's only 6% higher than the Coyotes home attendance.)

In the past 13 years the home attendance has never dropped below 99%. Last year it was 99.3% This year it's 84%.

That'll force chance sooner than later even if nothing else does.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct
- itwasin

Oil money is not the same as it was and ticket prices never drop, that equals more people staying home because they can't afford to go to the games.

One factor that'll shake things up is poor attendance.

Amazingly, attendance at Flames away games is rated at 100% (top 3 in the league) - presumably due to the JG effect.
(Don't gloat because Oilers away attendance is 125% - that's not a misprint - presumably it's the McDavid effect.)

But the home attendance - the number that matters to Flames ownership is 24th in the league - barely over 16000 per game. That's more than 3000 less than a sellout (19289). (By comparison, it's only 6% higher than the Coyotes home attendance.)

In the past 13 years the home attendance has never dropped below 99%. Last year it was 99.3% This year it's 84%.

That'll force chance sooner than later even if nothing else does.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct
- itwasin

Nah...thats all economic...you simply dont understand Calgary. oil economy is down and most of the people who went to games out of their own pockets were making good money. Now that they are not and they still have 2 cars being financed, a half million dollar mortgage and those silly fees for use of the fake man made lake and beach eat up all the extra cash. That town is hurtin worse than Edmonton in this economy, and trust ke, we are all hurtin'.

GG might not be the right coach. But Hartley was awful as well. Maybe it really is the players?
- Iggysbff

Hartley clearly had lost the room by the end of last season. Calling him the right Coach is.. not correct.

GG is definitely not the right Coach either.

Backlund left his position to cover for Ferland not being anywhere near the point he's supposed to cover.. Suddenly it's a two-on-one down low and they score from where Backlund should be..

Ferland could/should have picked up Vesey on the third goal. He was coasting, Vesey took a few steps and Ferly just watched him score.. Backlund overskated the puck and wasn't in position either, but Ferly was right there and could have covered for him..

BOTH GOALS AGAINST FERLAND JUST COASTED LAZILY.

Vey was completely out of position on Buch's goal. He needs to help out in front of the net. Instead he gets caught cheating way too high and the Rangers complete two passes in the low slot.. Dispicable.

WHY THE HELL WAS THE F. HAMILTON-VEY-SHINKARUK LINE OUT THERE AGAINST THEIR FIRST LINE ANYWAY?? WHY IS VEY EVEN ON THE TEAM???

Worst game all year for Backlund, Dougie, Mony and especially Ferland. Worst game for the Flames as a team.

So much coasting, poor coverage, leaving the zone too early, getting caught on the offensive side of the puck and taking big circles throughout the entire line up. We're truly awful right now. GG is in way over his head.

Sorry rant over.

Oil money is not the same as it was and ticket prices never drop, that equals more people staying home because they can't afford to go to the games.
- NewfieStud

I think it's more complicated than that. The same stats show that the Oilers have increased their "load factor" to 100% for home games - slightly higher than last year. But more telling is the capacity of Rogers place is approx 10% more than their old arena. So there are Albertans still willing and able to buy hockey tickets. In other words, there is still lots of money in Alberta but it's not trickling down as much as before.
Another possible dynamic is the municipal election coming next year. The Flames ownership wants to sell the city on a massive redevelopment project with the Flames being the carrot for voters. Nothing would do these plans more good than to have the Flames be successful leading into next summer. For that reason, I can't help thinking that the Flames ownership group is less than pleased with how this season is going and that major change may come sooner than later.

I think it's more complicated than that. The same stats show that the Oilers have increased their "load factor" to 100% for home games - slightly higher than last year. But more telling is the capacity of Rogers place is approx 10% more than their old arena. So lots of Albertans are willing and able to buy hockey tickets. In other words, there is still lots of money in Alberta but it's not trickling down as much as before.
Another possible dynamic is the municipal election coming next year. The Flames ownership wants to sell the city on a massive redevelopment project with the Flames being the carrot for voters. Nothing would do these plans more good than to have the Flames be successful leading into next summer. For that reason, I can't help thinking that the Flames ownership group is less than pleased with how this season is going and that major change may come sooner than later.
- itwasin

You clearly dont know Edmonton either.

A) New Arena Hype.
B) those kost impacted by the economy never went to the games anyway. The people at the top in Edmonton still have their jobsand rate of pay.


Games have been sold out for months before the season started..hot start has (frank) all to do with (frank) all.

I think it's more complicated than that. The same stats show that the Oilers have increased their "load factor" to 100% for home games - slightly higher than last year. But more telling is the capacity of Rogers place is approx 10% more than their old arena. So there are Albertans still willing and able to buy hockey tickets. In other words, there is still lots of money in Alberta but it's not trickling down as much as before.
Another possible dynamic is the municipal election coming next year. The Flames ownership wants to sell the city on a massive redevelopment project with the Flames being the carrot for voters. Nothing would do these plans more good than to have the Flames be successful leading into next summer. For that reason, I can't help thinking that the Flames ownership group is less than pleased with how this season is going and that major change may come sooner than later.
- itwasin

WHere are you from? You clearly do not have your finger on the pulse in Alberta. I think said finger is in your ass, and your ass is probably out east.

Hartley clearly had lost the room by the end of last season. Calling him the right Coach is.. not correct.

GG is definitely not the right Coach either.

Backlund left his position to cover for Ferland not being anywhere near the point he's supposed to cover.. Suddenly it's a two-on-one down low and they score from where Backlund should be..

Ferland could/should have picked up Vesey on the third goal. He was coasting, Vesey took a few steps and Ferly just watched him score.. Backlund overskated the puck and wasn't in position either, but Ferly was right there and could have covered for him..

BOTH GOALS AGAINST FERLAND JUST COASTED LAZILY.

Vey was completely out of position on Buch's goal. He needs to help out in front of the net. Instead he gets caught cheating way too high and the Rangers complete two passes in the low slot.. Dispicable.

WHY THE HELL WAS THE F. HAMILTON-VEY-SHINKARUK LINE OUT THERE AGAINST THEIR FIRST LINE ANYWAY?? WHY IS VEY EVEN ON THE TEAM???

Worst game all year for Backlund, Dougie, Mony and especially Ferland. Worst game for the Flames as a team.

So much coasting, poor coverage, leaving the zone too early, getting caught on the offensive side of the puck and taking big circles throughout the entire line up. We're truly awful right now. GG is in way over his head.

Sorry rant over.
- fry

So if GG is in over his head where does that leave BT? or BB for that matter? He made such a big deal of taking so long to get "the best candidate available."
Maybe it took so long because BT couldn't make up his mind.
Could ownership get impatient and tell BB to clean things up regardless of the cost? In other words, take over as interim GM again?

WHere are you from? You clearly do not have your finger on the pulse in Alberta. I think said finger is in your ass, and your ass is probably out east.
- Larsson_fan

I don't generally go for the bait but in your case I might. Keep it up and we'll see.

I don't generally go for the bait but in your case I might. Keep it up and we'll see.
- itwasin

We'll see what?

So if GG is in over his head where does that leave BT? or BB for that matter? He made such a big deal of taking so long to get "the best candidate available."
Maybe it took so long because BT couldn't make up his mind.
Could ownership get impatient and tell BB to clean things up regardless of the cost? In other words, take over as interim GM again?
- itwasin

BT has been a pretty solid GM for us so far. He's made a lot of good moves. Sure, Gulutzan might not have been the right call, but beyond that I think he's done a pretty good job. I think BT has done well enough to still have his job, at least for now.