He's off to a not so hot start this year too.
- HonkFortheGoose

Shh!! (You're ruining my point)

Is it really one person
Kulikov
Kane
Bogo
ROR
Have missed significant time now.
Ennis out for extended period, crushed the come-back hope.
I'd say more that one guy for sure.
- IonSabres

Aside from O'Reilly, the production of everyone on this list (or rather lack thereof) when they were healthy, should make them easily replaceable. That's what deep teams do. You have to be deep to be good. And this team's lack of depth is painfully obvious.

Aside from O'Reilly, the production of everyone on this list (or rather lack thereof) when they were healthy, should make them easily replaceable. That's what deep teams do. You have to be deep to be good. And this team's lack of depth is painfully obvious.
- buffalofan19

Hmm, that doesn't sound logical.

Aside from O'Reilly, the production of everyone on this list (or rather lack thereof) when they were healthy, should make them easily replaceable. That's what deep teams do. You have to be deep to be good. And this team's lack of depth is painfully obvious.
- buffalofan19

There's two 20 goal scorers on that list. And a guy that's supposed to be on your top D pair. While you can get guys to fill in typically and not hurt the team, they're typically not as productive as the ones they're replacing.

reinhart is playing excellent defensive hockey

something that has gone without notice on this thread

Shh!! (You're ruining my point)
- Deuce81

And where exactly has Colorado been the last few years? Did they not fire a coach and have there GM criticized? Or is that just acceptable in Buffalo because we never have any expectations?

Edit : Roy respectfully resigned

Aside from O'Reilly, the production of everyone on this list (or rather lack thereof) when they were healthy, should make them easily replaceable. That's what deep teams do. You have to be deep to be good. And this team's lack of depth is painfully obvious.
- buffalofan19

Team is 2 yrs old into the rebuild .

reinhart is playing excellent defensive hockey

something that has gone without notice on this thread
- homiedclown

Tied for 30th in goals. He needs to score. So do others.

Team was torn down for a rebuild . The depth we had was ahl players and nothing special. Got rid of them and replaced with new promising players . Some expected when that was done we should be a contender. Like it happens overnight.

Team was torn down for a rebuild . The depth we had was ahl players and nothing special. Got rid of them and replaced with new promising players . Some expected when that was done we should be a contender. Like it happens overnight.
- cabin

but, WINNIPEG!!

And where exactly has Colorado been the last few years? Did they not fire a coach and have there GM criticized? Or is that just acceptable in Buffalo because we never have any expectations?

Edit : Roy respectfully resigned
- sbroads24

Are we talking about the entire team now, or just Sam?

Are we talking about the entire team now, or just Sam?
- Deuce81

Whatever point suits your argument best.

Team was torn down for a rebuild . The depth we had was ahl players and nothing special. Got rid of them and replaced with new promising players . Some expected when that was done we should be a contender. Like it happens overnight.
- cabin

the moulsons, giontas, ennis, larsson, girgens, foligno


that was suppose to be the depth


I still blame the coach more than the players

Are we talking about the entire team now, or just Sam?
- Deuce81

if they think sam stinks


wait til they get a whiff of pu

There's two 20 goal scorers on that list. And a guy that's supposed to be on your top D pair. While you can get guys to fill in typically and not hurt the team, they're typically not as productive as the ones they're replacing.
- HonkFortheGoose

And that's the problem. The guys that are missing aren't overwhelmingly productive to begin with.

The other thing is this. With the loser point nowadays, it's very hard to get into the playoffs when out of the top 8 once you hit US Thanksgiving. That's next week. Injuries or not, you need to figure out a way to get past them. 7 goals in 6 games, with the toughest stretch of the schedule so far to date coming up (St. Louis, Tampa, Pittsburgh). If they don't figure out a way to get at least 3 out 6 points, they're in a deep, deep, hole. And even that might not be enough.

the moulsons, giontas, ennis, larsson, girgens, foligno


that was suppose to be the depth


I still blame the coach more than the players
- homiedclown

I bet Joel Armia would make a difference.

Are we talking about the entire team now, or just Sam?
- Deuce81

All of it. Do you think people were happy with MacKinnon during his sophomore slump (when he was over a full year younger than Sam BTW)

A. NO ONE here has tried to "Run Sam out of town"
B. Saying he should do more is correct

Team was torn down for a rebuild . The depth we had was ahl players and nothing special. Got rid of them and replaced with new promising players . Some expected when that was done we should be a contender. Like it happens overnight.
- cabin

That team tear down was 2 years ago. They rebuild has been around the forward group, and a #1 defenseman whose offensive abilities exceed his defensive abilities, and yet they are tied for dead last in scoring. Something's not right, and it's not just injuries. It's either coaching, roster makeup, or both.

EDIT: I guess they're 29th in scoring now. Still nowhere near acceptable.

All of it. Do you think people were happy with MacKinnon during his sophomore slump (when he was over a full year younger than Sam BTW)


B. Saying he should do more is correct
- sbroads24

what is a realistic expectation for a player on the 3rd line

3 points in 10 games?



again I blame the coach

I bet Joel Armia would make a difference.
- ImThatGuy

I am writing Armia in for the all star game

the moulsons, giontas, ennis, larsson, girgens, foligno


that was suppose to be the depth


I still blame the coach more than the players
- homiedclown

Replace D-lo, Girgensons, Grant, Ennis.

With Nylander, Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching

I think we have more scoring.

I am writing Armia in for the all star game
- homiedclown

sarich is already on my ballot

And that's the problem. The guys that are missing aren't overwhelmingly productive to begin with.

The other thing is this. With the loser point nowadays, it's very hard to get into the playoffs when out of the top 8 once you hit US Thanksgiving. That's next week. Injuries or not, you need to figure out a way to get past them. 7 goals in 6 games, with the toughest stretch of the schedule so far to date coming up (St. Louis, Tampa, Pittsburgh). If they don't figure out a way to get at least 3 out 6 points, they're in a deep, deep, hole. And even that might not be enough.
- buffalofan19

So 20 goal scorers aren't considered productive? I'm not sure what NHL you're watching, but the one I've been watching doesn't exactly scream at me with high offensive numbers. There were only 28 players that had 30+ goals last year.

if they think sam stinks


wait til they get a whiff of pu
- homiedclown

sarich is already on my ballot
- gerbe42

white lash


you should be voting for e kane