Barzal and Beauvillier are looking to be solid picks. Makes the trade hurt all the more.
- Wildschwein

that trade was horrendous

Barzal and Beauvillier are looking to be solid picks. Makes the trade hurt all the more.
- Wildschwein

thus far it looks ugly no doubt.

cant say im too concerned about the development proection of those two though (barring superstar status of course--which isnt entirely unreasonable for barzal)

if reinhart can turn into a reasonably mobile physical 3rd pairing guy, ill take it and run and not look too poorly on the deal.
unfortuantely, at this point, even that seems like it might be a stretch. its weird too, cause he showed some glimpses late last year.
maybe i was just looking for anything positive.......

thus far it looks ugly no doubt.

cant say im too concerned about the development proection of those two though (barring superstar status of course--which isnt entirely unreasonable for barzal)

if reinhart can turn into a reasonably mobile physical 3rd pairing guy, ill take it and run and not look too poorly on the deal.
unfortuantely, at this point, even that seems like it might be a stretch. its weird too, cause he showed some glimpses late last year.
maybe i was just looking for anything positive.......
- HB77

Stockholm syndrome I'm afraid.

Yup, but that was because Rieder didn't want to sign in a place behind Eberle and Yakupov. Thus, his value was far from easy to get a return on.

I'm fully aware as to why they did what they did, I'm merely stating it's stupid regardless of reasoning.

I'd say Reinhart was avoidable- at least at the price that was paid. He was none of the things the team needed out of a Dman (RH shot, offensively talented) and instead seemed like a panic move after losing out on Hamilton. I won't debate the methodology behind the deal, simply questioning the premium he paid for an unproven product that didn't really fill any hole as we still had Klefbom, Nurse and Marincin at the time.

As far as Svechnikov, I'm merely trying to maintain history. As much as Barzal or Connor would've be the better pick, Bob Stauffer and Jack Michaels was VERY high on Svechnikov and had been projecting him there for a while. It seems to be a logical assumption to say that they might've had some Oilers-related impetus for that. Same applies to Carlo. That having been said, it's unlikely anyone projected Barzal falling that far.
- MaximumBone

the only thing ill say about the price is that with some more homework into the isles organization, pc coulda probably changed that high 2nd into a much later pick. but for a former 4th overall, not too far gone out of his draft year, i dont see how the initial first rounder (16) gets changed if we actually wanted reinhart.

it probably was abit of panic move after missing out on hamilton, but the organization was seeing stars in their eyes for his potential. not which side he shot from. adding bluechippers to an organization desperate for quality on the backend is always gonna have appeal.
i wonder how many people outside the island knew that he had fallen off a cliff that quickly?

i dunno. it was a bad move. no doubt. i think im just super sensitive to hindsight arguments that dont bother to think of the scenario and climate at the time. and i always have been. **see my defence of mact
(not implying that youre ignorant to the scenario, just sayin in general)

Stockholm syndrome I'm afraid.
- Wildschwein

but i deserve to be hit. i shouldntve talked back. its not his fault.

the only thing ill say about the price is that with some more homework into the idles organization, pc coulda probably changed that high 2nd into a much later pick. but for a former 4th overall, not too far gone out of his draft year, i dont see how the intial first rounder (16) gets changed if we actually wanted reinhart.

it probably was abit of panic move after missing out on hamilton, but the organization was seeing stars in their eyes for his potential. adding bluechippers to an organization is always gonna have appeal.
i wonder how many people outside the island knew that he had fallen off a cliff that quickly?

i dunno. it was a bad move. no doubt. i think im just super sensitive to hindsight arguments that dont bother to think of the scenario and climate at the time. and i always have been. **see my defence of mact
(not implying that youre ignorant to the scenario, just sayin in general)
- HB77

But the hindsight defense is standing on the leg of "he was a 4th overall pick" ignoring our LHD depth at the time, our stylistic need from any major acquisition, and the desperation the deal was done in.

Regardless, we both agree that it was a bad deal. Enough on that topic.

I'd like to see the Sekera-Larsson tried at some point. I dare not even think about Davidson. Pretty sure Pearson killed him and everything is just been hushed up by Bettamn.
- Wildschwein

I only consider Davidson as his shutdown numbers last year were astounding. He managed great possession metrics, a positive +/- on a garbage team, and was among the league leaders in limiting high danger scoring chances. If we pair him with Larsson, I can see the pairing working better as a shutdown line than pushing Klefbom into that role. He's taking steps in his offensive game despite rather trying circumstances. I think it'd be prudent to ease that process for him.

In that light, I'd be pushing hard to get Klef playing regular shifts with McDavid rather than Nuge (straight shutdown). He's our only shoot-first Dman and I feel that McDavid would be well-served having a shot threat atop the zone at even strength. I like that he's getting PP time now, but do as Chicago did while developing Keith and Seabrook and give him easier minutes.

but i deserve to be hit. i shouldntve talked back. its not his fault.
- HB77

Nothing wrong with a little slap and tickle now and again. Surprised you said "his" however.

I only consider Davidson as his shutdown numbers last year were astounding. He managed great possession metrics, a positive +/- on a garbage team, and was among the league leaders in limiting high danger scoring chances. If we pair him with Larsson, I can see the pairing working better as a shutdown line than pushing Klefbom into that role. He's taking steps in his offensive game despite rather trying circumstances. I think it'd be prudent to ease that process for him.

In that light, I'd be pushing hard to get Klef playing regular shifts with McDavid rather than Nuge (straight shutdown). He's our only shoot-first Dman and I feel that McDavid would be well-served having a shot threat atop the zone at even strength. I like that he's getting PP time now, but do as Chicago did while developing Keith and Seabrook and give him easier minutes.
- MaximumBone

Would you consider a Klefbom-Russell combo?

Agree with having Klefbom out with McDavid.

- MaximumBone

I fully support HB77 during his/her/its tumultuous transition period.

I fully support HB77 during his/her/its tumultuous transition period.
- Wildschwein

i appreciate the understanding

i appreciate the understanding
- HB77

Its the least I can do.

Would you consider a Klefbom-Russell combo?

Agree with having Klefbom out with McDavid.
- Wildschwein

I totally forgot about Russell. I knew I was neglecting someone in my projections, but couldn't for the life of me figure out who.

Davidson- Larsson
Klefbom- Sekera
Nurse- Russell

Hard to decide honestly. There's a bunch of combinations and arguments I could make for each grouping I could think of, but none really made as much sense as this one. Davidson- Larsson are the shutdown guys (assuming Davidson can maintain last year's form), Klef- Sekera are you offensive duo while still taking secondary competition, and Nurse- Russell insulates two players who have had past struggles maintaining strong possession numbers but who both also have a good and complimentary set of offensive tools.

I totally forgot about Russell. I knew I was neglecting someone in my projections, but couldn't for the life of me figure out who.

Davidson- Larsson
Klefbom- Sekera
Nurse- Russell

Hard to decide honestly. There's a bunch of combinations and arguments I could make for each grouping I could think of, but none really made as much sense as this one. Davidson- Larsson are the shutdown guys (assuming Davidson can maintain last year's form), Klef- Sekera are you offensive duo while still taking secondary competition, and Nurse- Russell insulates two players who have had past struggles maintaining strong possession numbers but who both also have a good and complimentary set of offensive tools.
- MaximumBone

The pairings look good.

Now if only Davidson can stay healthy...

The pairings look good.

Now if only Davidson can stay healthy...
- Wildschwein

forget furthur development, if he can match last years play, i think he improves the squad a ton.

even potentially from a rather mediocre group on the backend to one thats top half of the league

bit of stretch perhaps, but i dunno. im pretty bullish on him

FIRST!!!!

that trade was horrendous
- LittleRickyV2

Hall is broken. I want a refund.

Hall is broken. I want a refund.
- smellmyfinger

All sales are final

Hall is broken. I want a refund.
- smellmyfinger

All discounted items are final sale. That's what happens when you don't pay full price.

All discounted items are final sale. That's what happens when you don't pay full price.
- RonPielep

Is it a win if the Ducks dont score in the first five minutes.... I would have started Monster tonight

Is it a win if the Ducks dont score in the first five minutes.... I would have started Monster tonight
- time2produce

- smellmyfinger

How adult of you.

How adult of you.
- time2produce

- smellmyfinger