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ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Nov 18 @ 5:28 PM ET
is this legit?

https://twitter.com/Canuc...status/799684850080890880

- Sabresfan-365

Vancouver No Longer Pursuing Evander Kane https://t.co/O7vRscPqNA https://t.co/xMfcdDq5pE
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Nov 18 @ 5:30 PM ET
I don't want the GM of my team to take a gamble like that.

A gamble like trading away a 3rd round pick to talk to a pending college free agent is a good gamble, trading away a former 2nd round pick for a former 3rd round pick that can't crack one of the worst teams in the league is not a good gamble.

- Stripes77

Strome went 3rd overall after Eichel. I think it just comes down to which player one thinks will have the better nhl career. I personally think Strome is a better bet.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Nov 18 @ 5:32 PM ET
Strome went 3rd overall after Eichel
- chilliard77



I'm aware. He hasn't been able to crack a terrible Coyotes team...what does that say?

chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Nov 18 @ 5:35 PM ET
I'm aware. He hasn't been able to crack a terrible Coyotes team...what does that say?
- Stripes77

I misread what you said, you said he was a 3rd rounder but I figured out what you meant lol. It's still really early on. It took Sam a bit to get rolling last year too
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 18 @ 5:36 PM ET
They're more or less identical players arent they?
- Sabresfan-365


You take the better player has a way higher calling and a way better skater also the only downside Is not very good at defense
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Nov 18 @ 5:37 PM ET
I misread what you said, you said he was a 3rd rounder but I figured out what you meant lol. It's still really early on. It took Sam a bit to get rolling last year too
- chilliard77



I wrote it poorly, I edited it!
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
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Nov 18 @ 5:39 PM ET
You take the better player has a way higher calling and a way better skater also the only downside Is not very good at defense
- GERBE!!!75PTS



If they were being drafted this year, yes I agree you would take the player with a higher ceiling.

But not after you've invested the time in developing them.

Not to mention your franchise player has great chemistry with him...

Also the not being very good defensively...yeah that doesn't work out very well unless you're Ovi
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Nov 18 @ 5:40 PM ET
Vancouver No Longer Pursuing Evander Kane https://t.co/O7vRscPqNA https://t.co/xMfcdDq5pE
- ImThatGuy



Bummer, oh well.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
So we are moving Sam on a gamble that Strome can produce when he hasn't been able too all year?

Get the point? It's a trade just to make a trade at this point and it accomplishes nothing.

- Stripes77


Strome Is way better the Sam "If " Sam was in the draft who would go Before him I can think of 7 players

Just like you said it be crazy to trade him for Mitchell Marner .. How's that working

Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
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Nov 18 @ 5:43 PM ET
Strome Is way better the Sam "If " Sam was in the draft who would go Before him I can think of 7 players

Just like you said it be crazy to trade him for Mitchell Marner .. How's that working

- GERBE!!!75PTS



So you've gotten what one player right in all of your man crushes...

Let me explain this to you so you can understand...this so called much better offensively player averaged less points per game in his draft year in a much more offensive league than Sam Reinhart...

So if you think he is soooooooooo much more offensively better you're wrong.

Sam Reinhart ppg in his draft year 1.81 in the WHL
Dylan Strome ppg in his draft year 1.69 in the OHL

Also if he is so damn good why can't he crack the lineup for the damn Arizona Coyotes??
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 18 @ 5:44 PM ET
If they were being drafted this year, yes I agree you would take the player with a higher ceiling.

But not after you've invested the time in developing them.

Not to mention your franchise player has great chemistry with him...

Also the not being very good defensively...yeah that doesn't work out very well unless you're Ovi

- Stripes77


I don't care about them being Best friends if you can get a better player you do it
Do I trade for a guy that could be like Tyler seguin or keep a player that ends up like Kadri
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
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Nov 18 @ 5:46 PM ET
I don't care about them being Best friends if you can get a better player you do it
Do I trade for a guy that could be like Tyler seguin or a Nazem Kadri

- GERBE!!!75PTS



So you would trade away a guy who can be Patrice Bergeron for a guy who could be Kadri?

Is that what you are saying?

Also hockey is a team game based on chemistry...
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Nov 18 @ 5:54 PM ET
So you've gotten what one player right in all of your man crushes...

Let me explain this to you so you can understand...this so called much better offensively player averaged less points per game in his draft year in a much more offensive league than Sam Reinhart...

So if you think he is soooooooooo much more offensively better you're wrong.

Sam Reinhart ppg in his draft year 1.81 in the WHL
Dylan Strome ppg in his draft year 1.69 in the OHL

Also if he is so damn good why can't he crack the lineup for the damn Arizona Coyotes??

- Stripes77



It's Friday, Stripes. 3 ice cubes. 3 fingers of Beam Green Label. 3 drips Fee Brothers Bitters. 2 small splashes dry vermouth. 1/4 slice of orange.

Repeat 2x before 9:00pm.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 18 @ 5:56 PM ET
So you would trade away a guy who can be Patrice Bergeron for a guy who could be Kadri?

Is that what you are saying?

Also hockey is a team game based on chemistry...

- Stripes77


It's one of those trades that could be brilliant or a trade they could set you back
With ROR on the team we could make this trade

I would make this trade before he becomes untouchable The same thing happen with Stamkos now look at him

And it's already been stated that the 2015 draft One of the best drafts for generation players ,first line centers ,and franchise players

So any of those top 10 players could've been first overall Sam's draft
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Nov 18 @ 5:56 PM ET
It's Friday, Stripes. 3 ice cubes. 3 fingers of Beam Green Label. 3 drips Fee Brothers Bitters. 2 small splashes dry vermouth. 1/4 slice of orange.

Repeat 2x before 9:00pm.

- Der Kaiser



Sadly I am at work until midnight.

Damn college showcase tournament.

I am sure one of the parents will have a car bar set up though.....
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 5:59 PM ET
It's Friday, Stripes. 3 ice cubes. 3 fingers of Beam Green Label. 3 drips Fee Brothers Bitters. 2 small splashes dry vermouth. 1/4 slice of orange.

Repeat 2x before 9:00pm.

- Der Kaiser


angostura.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Nov 18 @ 5:59 PM ET
It's one of those trades that could be brilliant or a trade they could set you back
With ROR on the team we could make this trade

I would make this trade before he becomes untouchable The same thing happen with Stamkos now look at him

And it's already been stated that the 2015 draft One of the best drafts for generation players ,first line centers ,and franchise players

So any of those top 10 players could've been first overall Sam's draft

- GERBE!!!75PTS


Why isn't he playing?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Nov 18 @ 6:00 PM ET
angostura.
- Wetbandit1



Ask DD.

Angostura is like Pepsi and Fee Bros is like RC Cola.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:02 PM ET
It's one of those trades that could be brilliant or a trade they could set you back
With ROR on the team we could make this trade

I would make this trade before he becomes untouchable The same thing happen with Stamkos now look at him

And it's already been stated that the 2015 draft One of the best drafts four generation players ,first line centers ,and franchise players

So any of those top 10 players could've been first overall Sam's draft

- GERBE!!!75PTS


Again I am not arguing if both players were drafted this year, or even last year who you would take first.

What I am arguing is why would you make a trade for a player that isn't good enough to crack the lineup of the last place Coyotes?

He has skill, every player drafted has skill. But he isn't putting it together. If you make that trade you disrupt the entire future of your franchise. The way Jack and Sam were playing together at the end of last year gave every single person in here a ton of hope for this season.

You cannot just replace that kind of chemistry. Having a ton of skill gets you no where if you can't put it together with your teammates, look at Tyler Ennis (no I am not comparing the two).

Will Strome be a good NHL player? Yes, will he be more productive than Reinhart offensively? Maybe, but he isn't as good of a playmaker as Reinhart is and the chemistry between Sam and Jack is not something you throw away.

If Murray wants Strome by all means go get him, but not for Reinhart, Risto or Eichel.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:04 PM ET
Ask DD.

Angostura is like Pepsi and Fee Bros is like RC Cola.

- Der Kaiser


So, what's Coke in your analogy?
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Nov 18 @ 6:06 PM ET
Why isn't he playing?
- Der Kaiser


He's getting into the groove I never said he was gonna light it up this year lol

I said we should make the trade before he becomes untouchable
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:11 PM ET
So you've gotten what one player right in all of your man crushes...

Let me explain this to you so you can understand...this so called much better offensively player averaged less points per game in his draft year in a much more offensive league than Sam Reinhart...

So if you think he is soooooooooo much more offensively better you're wrong.

Sam Reinhart ppg in his draft year 1.81 in the WHL
Dylan Strome ppg in his draft year 1.69 in the OHL

Also if he is so damn good why can't he crack the lineup for the damn Arizona Coyotes??

- Stripes77

Sam Reinhart also was the go to number 1 center on his WHL team. Strome was behind McDvaid. Totally different scenario
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Nov 18 @ 6:13 PM ET
I can't think of any reason why Strome would realistically be available from a Coyotes standpoint.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
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Nov 18 @ 6:14 PM ET
Sam Reinhart also was the go to number 1 center on his WHL team. Strome was behind McDvaid. Totally different scenario
- sbroads24



So he didn't have to face the opposing teams shut down line as frequently is what you're saying...

Also Reinhart was that shut down center in juniors and still put up a ton of points...

Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:15 PM ET
Sam Reinhart also was the go to number 1 center on his WHL team. Strome was behind McDvaid. Totally different scenario
- sbroads24


Not really, McDavid was hurt for a while, and you could make the argument that Strome drew the sweetheart matchups because everyone was worried about McDavid whereas Reinhart drew the toughest matchups. QoC matters in the CHL with the wide range of talent. You have guys who top out at maybe ECHL talents and you have guys who are at the top of the NHL.
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