Finding datsyuks is near impossible ....finding Mathews marner etc is easier ...they are at the top of the draft
- Redmile247

Yes I agree, the higher the pick the better the perception that you're going to get a quality player, but it doesn't always happen.

I'm sorry, but what Toronto did and Buffalo did should be penalized and not rewarded, purposely tanking should be the team is taken out of the choice for top 5.

If you have a poopty team like Vancouver or Calgary and try to be competitive, good on you, if you have a poopty team and waive, trade, sit to finish last to draft top 5 well (frank) you.

And if the offer for JvR is Hutton by himself then I hang up immediately
- lumlums

Leafs are on our No Trade Zone

Measuring stick, the talent on this team "SUCKS" even if for some lucky fluke they win, this game is not a measuring a stick
- Makita

Not in the sense if they are good enough to beat them.... but what is working and what is not.... plus the fan reaction was the point of the totality of the remarks made

Yes I agree, the higher the pick the better the perception that you're going to get a quality player, but it doesn't always happen.

I'm sorry, but what Toronto did and Buffalo did should be penalized and not rewarded, purposely tanking should be the team is taken out of the choice for top 5.

If you have a poopty team like Vancouver or Calgary and try to be competitive, good on you, if you have a poopty team and waive, trade, sit to finish last to draft top 5 well (frank) you.
- Makita

Trading for Gudbranson should mean you forfeit the whole draft. It was obvious to everyone labeled (east coast biased) that Benning was actively making the team worse. It was a cringe worthy move. This was obvious to most during the summer

It's us fans that have to pay the price.

Speaking of fluid


- A_SteamingLombardi

A

Not in the sense if they are good enough to beat them.... but what is working and what is not.... plus the fan reaction was the point of the totality of the remarks made
- Nuck4U

That is a dip stick then not measuring stick

Not really, I watched the game in which Matthews scored 4 goals and I was impressed with Marner more. Which of course didn't sit well with many here.

And I'm still more impressed with Marner over Matthews for Toronto, personal opinion that's all.
- Makita

Marner = future Patrick Kane

Yes I agree, the higher the pick the better the perception that you're going to get a quality player, but it doesn't always happen.

I'm sorry, but what Toronto did and Buffalo did should be penalized and not rewarded, purposely tanking should be the team is taken out of the choice for top 5.

If you have a poopty team like Vancouver or Calgary and try to be competitive, good on you, if you have a poopty team and waive, trade, sit to finish last to draft top 5 well (frank) you.
- Makita

Lets be real here, if this was the case, teams would find a way to appear competitive while pulling off the stealth tank, and everyone would know what they were doing.

Trading for Gudbranson should mean you forfeit the whole draft. It was obvious to everyone labeled (east coast biased) that Benning was actively making the team worse. It was a cringe worthy move. This was obvious to most during the summer

It's us fans that have to pay the price.
- walshyleafsfan

Why are pretending to be a Canuck fan, everyone knows you aren't, but accept you because you're so damn cool. Be yourself, be proud of your team, (frank) the haters.

Trading for Gudbranson should mean you forfeit the whole draft. It was obvious to everyone labeled (east coast biased) that Benning was actively making the team worse. It was a cringe worthy move. This was obvious to most during the summer

It's us fans that have to pay the price.
- walshyleafsfan

You're not a fan of that trade? He's certainly made the team better, Vancouver is far better defensively and sucks offensively.

Don't be an ass.

Would you rather JVR than Kane? Leafs want D. I'd consider it.
- Supirium99

If they take Sbisa....

Lets be real here, if this was the case, teams would find a way to appear competitive while pulling off the stealth tank, and everyone would know what they were doing.
- 1970vintage

Isn't this what most here call a JB stealth tank

You're not a fan of that trade? He's certainly made the team better, Vancouver is far better defensively and sucks offensively.

Don't be an ass.
- Makita

I don't know, he's been ok, not good, not bad. It was a steep price to pay, but I'm ok with the move.

Isn't this what most here call a JB stealth tank
- Makita

Leafs are on our No Trade Zone
- VANTEL

We'll take Tanev and your first and you'll deal with it

If they take Sbisa....
- Nuck4U

Yeah, I'd do that straight up. Keep our second rounder.

You're not a fan of that trade? He's certainly made the team better, Vancouver is far better defensively and sucks offensively.

Don't be an ass.
- Makita

I know you don't really believe what you wrote about the Leafs and Buffalo. Especially after Vancouver throwing games this year by refusing to score. With the talent the Nucks have, there was something fishy about them refusing to score.

We'll take Tanev and your first and you'll deal with it
- lumlums

Tanev is worth more than JVR

I don't know, he's been ok, not good, not bad. It was a steep price to pay, but I'm ok with the move.
- 1970vintage

After what..17-18 games? I"m ok with trading McCann for Gudbranson. Lets reevaluate after the years over.

Yes I agree, the higher the pick the better the perception that you're going to get a quality player, but it doesn't always happen.

I'm sorry, but what Toronto did and Buffalo did should be penalized and not rewarded, purposely tanking should be the team is taken out of the choice for top 5.

If you have a poopty team like Vancouver or Calgary and try to be competitive, good on you, if you have a poopty team and waive, trade, sit to finish last to draft top 5 well (frank) you.
- Makita

Yeah I get what your saying ...I'm not a fan of some of the stuff teams have done like shipping out goalies for winning or changing your lineups cuz your winning too much late

But I like the idea of a full rebuild when teams trade all or most outgoing assets ...toronto and Buffalo loading up on draft picks for multiple seasons is smart IMO

I think it's just having an actual direction or plan and sticking to it ...be Interesting to see if any reactionary trades are made with injuries to star players ...or with teams not being where they thought they would

I know you don't really believe what you wrote about the Leafs and Buffalo. Especially after Vancouver throwing games this year by refusing to score. With the talent the Nucks have, there was something fishy about them refusing to score.
- walshyleafsfan

What the what

We'll take Tanev and your first and you'll deal with it
- lumlums

Yes sir

Tanev is worth more than JVR
- classic321

JVR = $5mil
Tanev = $3.5mil

The numbers do not support this statement

What the what
- Makita

Loui Eriksson took it too far. IMO

Sedin style, they really need to be 2nd line guys.
- Makita

or bring in someone who will give them different marching orders

like how they change their play when playing for team sweden.