You guys are to worried about all this, no one is picking Rodin in an expansion draft, he has never played a game in the NHL.
- A_SteamingLombardi

But he might play and might do decent, let's just say for the sake argument he plays 45 games and has 20 points. Do you protect him over baertschi or Granlund and they both have disappointing seasons?

No, the Canucks exempt list is set:

EXEMPT AGE POS CAP HIT EXPIRY
Virtanen, Jake 20 RW $894,167 RFA (2018)
Laplante, Yan-Pavel 21 C $836,667 RFA (2019)
Labate, Joseph 23 C $680,000 RFA (2017)
Carcone, Michael 20 LW $675,000 RFA (2019)
Cassels, Cole 21 C $630,833 RFA (2018)
Tryamkin, Nikita 22 D $925,000 RFA (2017)
Juolevi, Olli 18 D $925,000 RFA (2019)
Stecher, Troy 22 D $925,000 RFA (2018)
Hutton, Ben 23 D $896,250 RFA (2017)
Subban, Jordan 21 D $755,000 RFA (2018)
Brisebois, Guillaume 19 D $703,333 RFA (2019)
Sautner, Ashton 22 D $675,000 RFA (2018)
Stewart, MacKenze 21 D $655,000 RFA (2018)
Cederholm, Anton 21 D $645,000 RFA (2018)
Garteig, Michael 25 G $925,000 RFA (2017)
Demko, Thatcher 20 G $925,000 RFA (2019)


These are the only exempt players, regardless of games player this year. No one can be added and no one can be removed.
- WhiteLie

You seem to think I'm talking about exempt players. I understand he is not a 1st/2nd year exempt player but he needs 40 games played this season to qualify still.

Any player that is not protected is considered exposed. Just that a certain amount of players have to meet league mandated 40/70 rule. 1st and 2nd year players exempt. Hope that helps.
Also Pedan will be exposed a more likely candidate to be chosen than Bingaman or Sbisa or Gaunce

I used to think the same thing, but read the rules regarding "exempt", it explicitly says



It doesnt say anything about games played. Thus Rodin, and all the guys in the minors are eligible to be taken
- WhiteLie

The other question that I don't think has been clarified though is what a professional season consists of. AHL and NHL only or does Europe and KHL count?

From NHL.com

Exposure Requirements: Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

This is the only place in the rules mentioning 40/70 games. This is the minimum of players to be exposed. It does not say those that dont meet these requirements are ineligible to be selected, only that the team must ensure 2 Forwards and 1 Defensemen meet these requirements.

For Exempt:

All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

The list of exempt are set as previously posted

The other question that I don't think has been clarified though is what a professional season consists of. AHL and NHL only or does Europe and KHL count?
- belcherbd

AHL counts, but I think they said Europe after age 20 because some kids play pro starting at 16

You seem to think I'm talking about exempt players. I understand he is not a 1st/2nd year exempt player but he needs 40 games played this season to qualify still.
- boonerbuck

He played 111 games in the AHL tho, so is he a first or 2nd year pro?

Any player that is not protected is considered exposed. Just that a certain amount of players have to meet league mandated 40/70 rule. 1st and 2nd year players exempt. Hope that helps.
Also Pedan will be exposed a more likely candidate to be chosen than Bingaman or Sbisa or Gaunce
- Reubenkincade

If i was filling out an NHL roster, i would take Sbisa over Pedan.

AHL counts, but I think they said Europe after age 20 because some kids play pro starting at 16
- WhiteLie

Very interesting, I know that at 1 point before the season started there was a tweet saying Nylander was exempt and he had already played 2 pro years.

If i was filling out an NHL roster, i would take Sbisa over Pedan.
- dbot

I think it depends on who you already have. If you have 6 D already do you take a project 7th D or a guy who will be overpaid for that role and likely won't improve?

Very interesting, I know that at 1 point before the season started there was a tweet saying Nylander was exempt and he had already played 2 pro years.
- belcherbd

It would be cool if there was a simulator where you could pick LVs team based on available players.

quick. computer nerds. make it so.

Very interesting, I know that at 1 point before the season started there was a tweet saying Nylander was exempt and he had already played 2 pro years.
- belcherbd

Thats why Tyamkin is still safe, he was playing KHL but was still too young

It would be cool if there was a simulator where you could pick LVs team based on available players.

quick. computer nerds. make it so.
- dbot

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

Select "Quick Protect" at the top, and there you go

You guys are to worried about all this, no one is picking Rodin in an expansion draft, he has never played a game in the NHL.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He played 111 games in the AHL tho, so is he a first or 2nd year pro?
- belcherbd

How many times does it need to be explained that were are not talking about the 1st/2nd year exemption?


I see now where I'm confused. It's not a requirement for all eligible players, you just need to expose a minimum 2 forwards that have played the minimum. Got it. Clarified.

You apparently are still stuck on a different rule.

I used to think the same thing, but read the rules regarding "exempt", it explicitly says



It doesnt say anything about games played. Thus Rodin, and all the guys in the minors are eligible to be taken
- WhiteLie

lol

I used to think the same thing, but read the rules regarding "exempt", it explicitly says



It doesnt say anything about games played. Thus Rodin, and all the guys in the minors are eligible to be taken
- WhiteLie

I thought the exempt list meant that it didn't matter if they meet the 40/70 games played and thus don't need to be protected by team from draft. But thought the 40/70 rule had to do with draft of NHL players off rosters. Otherwise a player that a team had rights to but is playing professional somewhwere else like Rodin was or Datsuk is now let's say could be picked by Vegas in expansion draft. Not sure if that's how it works? Thought draft elegibitly had to do with games played and contract for following season. That team can protect a certain number of players but must at a minimum expose 2 forwards, 1D and 1G. Goalies not having had to play any games.

I thought the exempt list meant that it didn't matter if they meet the 40/70 games played and thus don't need to be protected by team from draft. But thought the 40/70 rule had to do with draft of NHL players off rosters. Otherwise a player that a team had rights to but is playing professional somewhwere else like Rodin was or Datsuk is now let's say could be picked by Vegas in expansion draft.
- Nuck4U

I read it as in if you're not exempt, you're eligible. I could be wrong, but I used to think if a player didn't play 40/70 they were also safe, but then if you read over the minimum exposure rules, thats the only place it says anything about 40/70. No clause is mentioned that you need to play a certain amount to be protected. It DOES say that injured or inactive NHLers do not count

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League.

That clause would cover the Pronger, Datsyuk, Horton players

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

So providing we have two forwards exposed that play 40 games this season or 70 this and last season combined, we would be able to expose Rodin. Dorsett and Sven cover that.

How many times does it need to be explained that were are not talking about the 1st/2nd year exemption?


I see now where I'm confused. It's not a requirement for all eligible players, you just need to expose a minimum 2 forwards that have played the minimum. Got it. Clarified.

You apparently are still stuck on a different rule.
- boonerbuck

My mistake, I thought you were saying he wouldn't be eligible because he wasn't a 1st/2nd year pro.

My mistake, I thought you were saying he wouldn't be eligible because he wasn't a 1st/2nd year pro.
- belcherbd

I was confused too. Looks like two different rules were getting meshed together.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

So providing we have two forwards exposed that play 40 games this season or 70 this and last season combined, we would be able to expose Rodin. Dorsett and Sven cover that.
- boonerbuck

This rule affects guys like Bo/Sutter more than Rodin. If we fail to comply and Dorsett is the only one under contract and played the minimum games, the NHL would force the Canucks to choose to expose one of Bo, Sutter, Hansen etc. to meet the requirements

EDIT: Assuming Sutter makes it 21 more games

I was confused too. Looks like two different rules were getting meshed together.
- boonerbuck

Yup I also think the word exposed is a bit ambiguous because each team must expose 2 players who meet that min threshold but also any player not protected or ineligible are also exposed regardless of games played.

It would be cool if there was a simulator where you could pick LVs team based on available players.

quick. computer nerds. make it so.
- dbot

Does this work...?

http://www2.tsn.ca/bardow...Draft+Simulator&id=591389

Yup I also think the word exposed is a bit ambiguous because each team must expose 2 players who meet that min threshold but also any player not protected or ineligible are also exposed regardless of games played.
- belcherbd

I was thinking the same thing. The NHL could have made it very clear by using different terminology, but my understanding is that if you're not exempt, your eligible. The exposure thing is just a formality to ensure bottom feeders like VAN, Toronto and AZ give up something decent (as we know the NHL wants Vegas to be good right away)