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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 21 @ 9:11 PM ET
Only 1st and 2nd year pros are exempt from the expansion draft. Rodin is a 5 year pro, 40 games is irrelevant to him

He is even on TSN's list of notable exposed players:

- WhiteLie


I don't think Rodin will have enough games this season to be exposed.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 21 @ 9:12 PM ET
Surprised nobody has mentioned that Lebate has been recalled by the Canucks. I know it's not earthshattering news, but it's news nonetheless
- PetrolSexual


Right on. He was exciting in the pre season.
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:15 PM ET
So like a Kassian type? Yeah I can see periphery guys exposed for them that would be attractive for upside. They can also with so much cap space sign tried and true free agents as well to cover for the bust side.
- Nuck4U


Sure, or another AHL scorer (like Vey was a few years back) just a young guy that you can give a shot to see if he takes the next step in their development, otherwise he's AHL leadership
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:18 PM ET
I don't think Rodin will have enough games this season to be exposed.
- boonerbuck


The only exempt rules are for 1st and 2nd year pro's. All players that are not considered as such are eligible to be taken. The exposure list/games count is the rule to force teams to expose NHL calibre talent, which Vancouver meets on forward and will meet for D when Sbisa plays his last few games
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 21 @ 9:24 PM ET
The only exempt rules are for 1st and 2nd year pro's. All players that are not considered as such are eligible to be taken. The exposure list/games count is the rule to force teams to expose NHL calibre talent, which Vancouver meets on forward and will meet for D when Sbisa plays his last few games
- WhiteLie



Then why would Biega not be exposed?
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:32 PM ET
Then why would Biega not be exposed?
- VANTEL


He still would be, I think Van wanted a backup plan for D exposure in case Sbisa was hurt or traded. Sbisa needs 10 games, Biega is the next closest at 18. You need to meet the exposure requirements, if one of those two fell short, Van would have to expose one of Edler/Tanev/Gudbranson to be compliant

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

Cap Friendly has the whole list, once a player hits the 40/70 requirement, they get a checkmark (and are shown as F Exposure Req or D Exposure Req), they dont get moved to/from the exempt list
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 21 @ 9:35 PM ET
Then why would Biega not be exposed?
- VANTEL


He will be but he won't be considered one of their nhl level guys who met the minimum threshold.

Canucks must expose 1 D and 2 F who meet those minimum threshold but Vegas can pick any player who is not exempt.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 21 @ 9:35 PM ET
He still would be, I think Van wanted a backup plan for D exposure in case Sbisa was hurt or traded. Sbisa needs 10 games, Biega is the next closest at 18. You need to meet the exposure requirements, if one of those two fell short, Van would have to expose one of Edler/Tanev/Gudbranson to be compliant

https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

Cap Friendly has the whole list, once a player hits the 40/70 requirement, they get a checkmark (and are shown as F Exposure Req or D Exposure Req), they dont get moved to/from the exempt list

- WhiteLie


You beat me this time....
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 21 @ 9:38 PM ET
He will be but he won't be considered one of their nhl level guys who met the minimum threshold.

Canucks must expose 1 D and 2 F who meet those minimum threshold but Vegas can pick any player who is not exempt.

- belcherbd



That would also apply to Rodin if he doesn't get the games in
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 9:40 PM ET
That would also apply to Rodin if he doesn't get the games in
- VANTEL


Yeah, i'm confused too.

Rodin and Biega both need to reach a minimum number of games to be exposed do they not?
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:40 PM ET
You beat me this time....

- belcherbd


boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 21 @ 9:41 PM ET
The only exempt rules are for 1st and 2nd year pro's. All players that are not considered as such are eligible to be taken. The exposure list/games count is the rule to force teams to expose NHL calibre talent, which Vancouver meets on forward and will meet for D when Sbisa plays his last few games
- WhiteLie


So there will be no minimum games played this season for Rodin? We can expose him if we only play him say,,, 10 games? Or none?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 21 @ 9:41 PM ET
Yeah, i'm confused too.

Rodin and Biega both need to reach a minimum number of games to be exposed do they not?

- dbot



I think so. I know right now Biega does not meet requirements and neither does Rodin
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:42 PM ET
Yeah, i'm confused too.

Rodin and Biega both need to reach a minimum number of games to be exposed do they not?

- dbot


No, the Canucks exempt list is set:

EXEMPT AGE POS CAP HIT EXPIRY
Virtanen, Jake 20 RW $894,167 RFA (2018)
Laplante, Yan-Pavel 21 C $836,667 RFA (2019)
Labate, Joseph 23 C $680,000 RFA (2017)
Carcone, Michael 20 LW $675,000 RFA (2019)
Cassels, Cole 21 C $630,833 RFA (2018)
Tryamkin, Nikita 22 D $925,000 RFA (2017)
Juolevi, Olli 18 D $925,000 RFA (2019)
Stecher, Troy 22 D $925,000 RFA (2018)
Hutton, Ben 23 D $896,250 RFA (2017)
Subban, Jordan 21 D $755,000 RFA (2018)
Brisebois, Guillaume 19 D $703,333 RFA (2019)
Sautner, Ashton 22 D $675,000 RFA (2018)
Stewart, MacKenze 21 D $655,000 RFA (2018)
Cederholm, Anton 21 D $645,000 RFA (2018)
Garteig, Michael 25 G $925,000 RFA (2017)
Demko, Thatcher 20 G $925,000 RFA (2019)


These are the only exempt players, regardless of games player this year. No one can be added and no one can be removed.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 21 @ 9:43 PM ET
So there will be no minimum games played this season for Rodin? We can expose him if we only play him say,,, 10 games? Or none?
- boonerbuck


I don't think so
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 21 @ 9:43 PM ET
Only 1st and 2nd year pros are exempt from the expansion draft. Rodin is a 5 year pro, 40 games is irrelevant to him

He is even on TSN's list of notable exposed players:

- WhiteLie


That looks like a projected list. Exposure draft requirements seem specific. It's about games played this year and last year and having a contract for the next season. Why a player like Skille would not count. Going off this information.

Players who meet or are projected to meet the exposure requirements are highlighted in green
FORWARDS AGE POS CAP HIT EXPIRY 40/70
NMC Sedin, Daniel 36 LW $7,000,000 UFA (2018) ✔
NMC Sedin, Henrik 36 C $7,000,000 UFA (2018) ✔
NMC Eriksson, Loui 31 RW $6,000,000 UFA (2022) ✔
Burrows, Alexandre 35 RW $4,500,000 UFA (2017) ✔
Sutter, Brandon 27 C $4,375,000 UFA (2021) 21GR
Dorsett, Derek 29 RW $2,650,000 UFA (2019) ✔
Hansen, Jannik 30 RW $2,500,000 UFA (2018) ✔
Baertschi, Sven 24 LW $1,850,000 RFA (2018) ✔
Rodin, Anton 26 RW $950,000 RFA (2017) 40GR
Granlund, Markus 23 C $900,000 RFA (2018) 4GR
Horvat, Bo 21 C $894,167 RFA (2017) ✔
Gaunce, Brendan 22 C $863,333 RFA (2017) 21GR



See this site https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

It shows who's eligible. Notice they still have Rodin at 40 games remaining cause his past pro experience doesn't count. It's games played last year and this year. The TSN list you posted is assuming he's going to play that amount.
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:43 PM ET
So there will be no minimum games played this season for Rodin? We can expose him if we only play him say,,, 10 games? Or none?
- boonerbuck


He has played 2 years of pro hockey, so he can be taken even if he doesnt play an NHL game this year. If we want to guarantee he isn't taken, he needs to be one of the 7 forwards protected
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 21 @ 9:44 PM ET
No, the Canucks exempt list is set:

EXEMPT AGE POS CAP HIT EXPIRY
Virtanen, Jake 20 RW $894,167 RFA (2018)
Laplante, Yan-Pavel 21 C $836,667 RFA (2019)
Labate, Joseph 23 C $680,000 RFA (2017)
Carcone, Michael 20 LW $675,000 RFA (2019)
Cassels, Cole 21 C $630,833 RFA (2018)
Tryamkin, Nikita 22 D $925,000 RFA (2017)
Juolevi, Olli 18 D $925,000 RFA (2019)
Stecher, Troy 22 D $925,000 RFA (2018)
Hutton, Ben 23 D $896,250 RFA (2017)
Subban, Jordan 21 D $755,000 RFA (2018)
Brisebois, Guillaume 19 D $703,333 RFA (2019)
Sautner, Ashton 22 D $675,000 RFA (2018)
Stewart, MacKenze 21 D $655,000 RFA (2018)
Cederholm, Anton 21 D $645,000 RFA (2018)
Garteig, Michael 25 G $925,000 RFA (2017)
Demko, Thatcher 20 G $925,000 RFA (2019)


These are the only exempt players, regardless of games player this year. No one can be added and no one can be removed.

- WhiteLie



OK so how can they expose Rodin if he doesn't play games?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 21 @ 9:44 PM ET
That would also apply to Rodin if he doesn't get the games in
- VANTEL

You guys are to worried about all this, no one is picking Rodin in an expansion draft, he has never played a game in the NHL.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 21 @ 9:45 PM ET
No, the Canucks exempt list is set:

EXEMPT AGE POS CAP HIT EXPIRY
Virtanen, Jake 20 RW $894,167 RFA (2018)
Laplante, Yan-Pavel 21 C $836,667 RFA (2019)
Labate, Joseph 23 C $680,000 RFA (2017)
Carcone, Michael 20 LW $675,000 RFA (2019)
Cassels, Cole 21 C $630,833 RFA (2018)
Tryamkin, Nikita 22 D $925,000 RFA (2017)
Juolevi, Olli 18 D $925,000 RFA (2019)
Stecher, Troy 22 D $925,000 RFA (2018)
Hutton, Ben 23 D $896,250 RFA (2017)
Subban, Jordan 21 D $755,000 RFA (2018)
Brisebois, Guillaume 19 D $703,333 RFA (2019)
Sautner, Ashton 22 D $675,000 RFA (2018)
Stewart, MacKenze 21 D $655,000 RFA (2018)
Cederholm, Anton 21 D $645,000 RFA (2018)
Garteig, Michael 25 G $925,000 RFA (2017)
Demko, Thatcher 20 G $925,000 RFA (2019)


These are the only exempt players, regardless of games player this year. No one can be added and no one can be removed.

- WhiteLie


What about a list of players that 'can' be exposed (due to GP or NMC contract)?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 21 @ 9:45 PM ET
OK so how can they expose Rodin if he doesn't play games?
- VANTEL

He's been a pro for 5 years
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 21 @ 9:46 PM ET
That would also apply to Rodin if he doesn't get the games in
- VANTEL


Correct at least I think so

Teams have players who are not exposed because they haven't played enough games. Not eligible.

Players that must pass the threshold that they must submit ensuring Vegas has some nhl quality players available.

All other players must be protected or are still eligible. For example Biega who Vegas could choose to select even if he doesn't meet the threshold.
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:46 PM ET
That looks like a projected list. Exposure draft requirements seem specific. It's about games played this year and last year and having a contract for the next season. Why a player like Skille would not count. Going off this information.

Players who meet or are projected to meet the exposure requirements are highlighted in green
FORWARDS AGE POS CAP HIT EXPIRY 40/70
NMC Sedin, Daniel 36 LW $7,000,000 UFA (2018) ✔
NMC Sedin, Henrik 36 C $7,000,000 UFA (2018) ✔
NMC Eriksson, Loui 31 RW $6,000,000 UFA (2022) ✔
Burrows, Alexandre 35 RW $4,500,000 UFA (2017) ✔
Sutter, Brandon 27 C $4,375,000 UFA (2021) 21GR
Dorsett, Derek 29 RW $2,650,000 UFA (2019) ✔
Hansen, Jannik 30 RW $2,500,000 UFA (2018) ✔
Baertschi, Sven 24 LW $1,850,000 RFA (2018) ✔
Rodin, Anton 26 RW $950,000 RFA (2017) 40GR
Granlund, Markus 23 C $900,000 RFA (2018) 4GR
Horvat, Bo 21 C $894,167 RFA (2017) ✔
Gaunce, Brendan 22 C $863,333 RFA (2017) 21GR



See this site https://www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft

It shows who's eligible. Notice they still have Rodin at 40 games remaining cause his past pro experience doesn't count. It's games played last year and this year. The TSN list you posted is assuming he's going to play that amount.

- Nuck4U


I used to think the same thing, but read the rules regarding "exempt", it explicitly says

First & Second Year Pros
All players who have accrued two or less professional seasons at the end of the 2016-17 season, as well as all unsigned draft choices appearing on the teams reserve list, will be exempt from the upcoming expansion draft.


It doesnt say anything about games played. Thus Rodin, and all the guys in the minors are eligible to be taken
WhiteLie
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Nov 21 @ 9:48 PM ET
What about a list of players that 'can' be exposed (due to GP or NMC contract)?
- dbot


Literally everyone else is eligible to be taken, except for NMC. Games played only ensures that some quality players are available for Vegas to pick
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 21 @ 9:50 PM ET
Just had a bottle of 2014 Painted Rock from the Okanagan, really nice.....FYI.
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