Pacioretty, aside of his lucky goal, destroys momentum shift after shift. Plekanec is on a slump and lacks timing, always too slow to react to quick passes in front.

You know what, I'm pretty sure Bergevin sees what we see and is considering a trade for real.
- Not_Yan

He did hit the post that one time.

And of course Pacioretty still has value... jesus christ he's been a top 5 goal scorer in the league in the last 4 years.

i don't think that's the kind of trade Montreal should be making. (unless Pacioretty asks/has asked for a trade... which would not be totally shocking)
- DoubleDown

I disagree, he has a good name, great caphit. Coach doesn't really like him, I'd take a proven forward, even if he's a little bit less of a scorer if he brings more CHaracter.

He did hit the post that one time.

And of course Pacioretty still has value... jesus christ he's been a top 5 goal scorer in the league in the last 4 years.
- Scabeh

maybe i misunderstood what he was saying but i think Yan meant that Bergevin was looking to bring in some help, not to trade Pacioretty. i just don't see the benefit to trading Pacioretty. i don't believe that this is just who he is now... still confident he snaps out of it and grows a set of testicles at some pont.

Dès qu'on a quelqu'un de plus masculin et viril en retour, c'est un go pour moi!


- number_23

on a besoin de plus de ti-goons aque une moustache molle qui se font lécher dans face par leur ti-chien blanc de matante.

He still has value, but like Asp said a while ago, he's a young Michael Ryder. Great shot, that's it. We can't get a 60pts centre for him but I would be happy with a 45pts centre who fits better with Gallagher.
- Not_Yan

Ok, so at the quarter mark ( I realize everyone is sensitive after last year), leading the league and we're giving up our best goal scorer for a 45 pt centre? Don't hate but I disagree with this. Surely there are other assets available to acquire someone with Desharnais like production.

I disagree, he has a good name, great caphit. Coach doesn't really like him, I'd take a proven forward, even if he's a little bit less of a scorer if he brings more CHaracter.
- Fredobface

yeah that's what this team needs. fewer goals scorers and more character.

He did hit the post that one time.

And of course Pacioretty still has value... jesus christ he's been a top 5 goal scorer in the league in the last 4 years.
- Scabeh

Ok, take the top 10 scoring wingers...of which Pacioretty is one...any of the other teams trade their guy for ours?

(I'm asking, I don't even know who makes that list...but if the answer is no, what does that mean?)

Ok, so at the quarter mark ( Irealize everyone is sensitive after last year), leading the league and we're giving up our best goal scorer for a 45 pt centre? Don't hate but I disagree with this. Surely there are other assets available to acquire someone with Desharnais like production.
- Pie

this has been my point. when we talk about offensive upgrades... it's a modest term in Montreal. to improve this team's offence you don't need to sell the farm.

He still has value, but like Asp said a while ago, he's a young Michael Ryder. Great shot, that's it. We can't get a 60pts centre for him but I would be happy with a 45pts centre who fits better with Gallagher.
- Not_Yan

Tyler Bozak for Max wussyfootwetty

maybe i misunderstood what he was saying but i think Yan meant that Bergevin was looking to bring in some help, not to trade Pacioretty. i just don't see the benefit to trading Pacioretty. i don't believe that this is just who he is now... still confident he snaps out of it and grows a set of testicles at some pont.
- DoubleDown

He had a good game last night, was one of the few forcing turnovers. His big issue is shooting the puck, he needs to do it a whole lot more. Way off his avg.

Ok, take the top 10 scoring wingers...of which Pacioretty is one...any of the other teams trade their guy for ours?

(I'm asking, I don't even know who makes that list...but if the answer is no, what does that mean?)
- number_23

if you trade Pacioretty and don't get back someone who is a lock for 30 goals on a sensible long term deal in his late 20s, you've lost that trade.

yeah that's what this team needs. fewer goals scorers and more character.
- DoubleDown

Well Pacs is on pace for 20. I was thinking of a 25+ ish guy

He had a good game last night, was one of the few forcing turnovers. His big issue is shooting the puck, he needs to do it a whole lot more. Way off his avg.
- Pie

yeah big time. also stop moving him up and down the lineup. just let him settle in somewhere. only reason to move him off this current line is if you're putting him back with Galchenyuk.

Well Pacs is on pace for 20. I was thinking of a 25+ ish guy
- Fredobface

still think you're better off being patient with Pacioretty.

yeah big time. also stop moving him up and down the lineup. just let him settle in somewhere. only reason to move him off this current line is if you're putting him back with Galchenyuk.
- DoubleDown

This.

It's incredible how much hate this guy is getting after being our best offensive player for the last 5 years.

This is Damphousse all over again.

still think you're better off being patient with Pacioretty.
- DoubleDown

let him play with Plekanecs and Gallagher and let Galchenyuk play with Radulov and Byron. If they want to move him around, do it on the special teams

Ok, take the top 10 scoring wingers...of which Pacioretty is one...any of the other teams trade their guy for ours?

(I'm asking, I don't even know who makes that list...but if the answer is no, what does that mean?)
- number_23

That list quickly:

LW: Benn, Gaudreau, Panarin, Ovechkin, Hall, Forsberg, PCAIORETTY, Eriksson, Marchand, Sedin

if we include RW: Kane, Wheeler, Tarasenko, Kucherov, Jagr, Okposo, Perry, Zuccarello, Stone, Simmonds

This.

It's incredible how much hate this guy is getting after being our best offensive player for the last 5 years.

This is Damphousse all over again.
- Scabeh

Its unbelievable really

if you trade Pacioretty and don't get back someone who is a lock for 30 goals on a sensible long term deal in his late 20s, you've lost that trade.
- DoubleDown

Exactly, but would any of those teams trade their guy for ours?

That list quickly:

LW: Benn, Gaudreau, Panarin, Ovechkin, Hall, Forsberg, PCAIORETTY, Eriksson, Marchand, Sedin

if we include RW: Kane, Wheeler, Tarasenko, Kucherov, Jagr, Okposo, Perry, Zuccarello, Stone, Simmonds
- number_23

I'm taking Pacioretty before the bolded names. No question.

Yes, (frank) Brad Marchand.

Its unbelievable really
- Pie

obviously the hate is over the top but the frustration is rational. especially now because we're seeing all of that secondary scoring dry up, as we expected. when Danault, Byron, and Mitchell were scoring at 30 goal paces it was OK that Pacioretty and Gallagher didn't score. now they need the offence from those 2. hopefully last night was a confidence booster for Max.

Ok, take the top 10 scoring wingers...of which Pacioretty is one...any of the other teams trade their guy for ours?

(I'm asking, I don't even know who makes that list...but if the answer is no, what does that mean?)
- number_23

He's not a winger but Duchene maybe

obviously the hate is over the top but the frustration is rational. especially now because we're seeing all of that secondary scoring dry up, as we expected. when Danault, Byron, and Mitchell were scoring at 30 goal paces it was OK that Pacioretty and Gallagher didn't score. now they need the offence from those 2. hopefully last night was a confidence booster for Max.
- DoubleDown

I get that, but the odds are more on Pacioretty finding his game at some point during the season than him continuing on the path of sucking he's been on for 82 games.

Exactly, but would any of those teams trade their guy for ours?
- number_23

of course not. that's why i don't understand the "trade Pacioretty" sentiment. you need gamebreakers like that, a guy who can score out of nowehere at any given time. at his best that's what Pacioretty is. we already lost one in Subban, can't afford to lose another.

I'm taking Pacioretty before the bolded names. No question.

Yes, (frank) Brad Marchand.
- Scabeh

I would take Perry