Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!

I like the parade idea, we can name Kevin Allen the Parade Marshall and see if shows up!

But aren't all those guys useless, you must have looked at the wrong data set
- Makita

They're only useless in this board.

at no disrespect, but I do not think it is the view that we are misunderstanding, I think it is your phrasing, wording, lack of commas/periods and sentence structure.
- Codes1087

Rehashing again, are we?

I don't think it's a fair assessment to call him a non-playoff coach when he has coached 1 series of 5 games. Yes he got outcoached in that one by a wide margin, but did everyone forget he won the Calder Cup the year before he was hired?

I also think it would be selling most of us short to say others can see systems we can't. We may only notice bits and pieces but I think if you watch enough you can pick out the problems. For example the PP zone entry with Daniel standing still on the left side boards, they've been doing it for a long time and it fails more often than it works.
- NorthNuck

Hey man, dont shoot the messenger! I think the idea of a playoff coach is as ridiculous as saying teams/players/coaches cant win because they have never won before.

And I agree with the second part, I think if you watch enough you can pick up on tenancies of lines/units, but there are a few posters that swear they dont exist. I have maintained forever that they exist and being that its the NHL it might be a little more complicated to see, particularly in game action when your strategies are clashing with your oppositions. Ultimately its up the the players to recognize the situations they are in and react accordingly. Its like the NFL, coach calls a play, but the QB is responsible for reading the defense and calling audibles, good ones see things and adapt - I dont think Canucks have many good/smart players that can adapt

I don't think it's a fair assessment to call him a non-playoff coach when he has coached 1 series of 5 games. Yes he got outcoached in that one by a wide margin, but did everyone forget he won the Calder Cup the year before he was hired?

I also think it would be selling most of us short to say others can see systems we can't. We may only notice bits and pieces but I think if you watch enough you can pick out the problems. For example the PP zone entry with Daniel standing still on the left side boards, they've been doing it for a long time and it fails more often than it works.
- NorthNuck

If I remember, Hank saying when questioned about this, was that, that is the best way to gain entry into the zone and dismissed the notion of trying something different, so that says to me, the Sedins run the power play.

If I remember, Hank saying when questioned about this, was that, that is the best way to gain entry into the zone and dismissed the notion of trying something different, so that says to me, the Sedins run the power play.
- Makita

The Sedins have been running this PP for the last 7 years

So back to hockey. I brought up earlier in the thread Burrows and possible trade value. Are there any thoughts to this?

If I remember, Hank saying when questioned about this, was that, that is the best way to gain entry into the zone and dismissed the notion of trying something different, so that says to me, the Sedins run the power play.
- Makita

I trust the Sedin's judgement on these types of things. They are beyond crafty when it comes to drawing up set plays. Having Daniel at the blue line requires the opposition D to stand near him, and if Hank/Edler/etc. come up with speed they either catch them flatfooted or the opposition have bad gap management. Its the same reason they do the drop pass, throw off the angles and force players to stop/start

So back to hockey. I brought up earlier in the thread Burrows and possible trade value. Are there any thoughts to this?
- Nuck4U

No

I trust the Sedin's judgement on these types of things. They are beyond crafty when it comes to drawing up set plays. Having Daniel at the blue line requires the opposition D to stand near him, and if Hank/Edler/etc. come up with speed they either catch them flatfooted or the opposition have bad gap management. Its the same reason they do the drop pass, throw off the angles and force players to stop/start
- WhiteLie

Rehashing again, are we?
- Nuck4U

you are accusing people of misunderstanding your views. As soon as I shed some light on why people may be misunderstanding you, you get defensive, much like when people oppose your views on ANYTHING canucks related. You're going to go far kid

- NorthNuck

Hey, I said if!

Hey man, dont shoot the messenger! I think the idea of a playoff coach is as ridiculous as saying teams/players/coaches cant win because they have never won before.

And I agree with the second part, I think if you watch enough you can pick up on tenancies of lines/units, but there are a few posters that swear they dont exist. I have maintained forever that they exist and being that its the NHL it might be a little more complicated to see, particularly in game action when your strategies are clashing with your oppositions. Ultimately its up the the players to recognize the situations they are in and react accordingly. Its like the NFL, coach calls a play, but the QB is responsible for reading the defense and calling audibles, good ones see things and adapt - I dont think Canucks have many good/smart players that can adapt
- WhiteLie

Sorry if that came off aggressive. Seems in todays NHL it is just so easy to always say the coach is the problem, fact is there isn't always 1 broken link, but many weak ones.

Hey, I said if!
- WhiteLie

That theoretical speed has us winning so much more often

I trust the Sedin's judgement on these types of things. They are beyond crafty when it comes to drawing up set plays. Having Daniel at the blue line requires the opposition D to stand near him, and if Hank/Edler/etc. come up with speed they either catch them flatfooted or the opposition have bad gap management. Its the same reason they do the drop pass, throw off the angles and force players to stop/start
- WhiteLie

Yeah I agree on this, although that drop pass makes me cringe every time,

Calling your alt and alt. way to throw us off track
- Retinalz

I trust the Sedin's judgement on these types of things. They are beyond crafty when it comes to drawing up set plays. Having Daniel at the blue line requires the opposition D to stand near him, and if Hank/Edler/etc. come up with speed they either catch them flatfooted or the opposition have bad gap management. Its the same reason they do the drop pass, throw off the angles and force players to stop/start
- WhiteLie

They definitely know what they're doing, however even if you have a well crafted plan, executing it time and time again allows your competition to get a read and therefore outmaneuver you. I'd like to know how they formulate the plan for the 2nd PP unit. Let the twins tactics be executed by Horvat and co. who have the footspeed to do it.

Sorry if that came off aggressive. Seems in todays NHL it is just so easy to always say the coach is the problem, fact is there isn't always 1 broken link, but many weak ones.
- NorthNuck

No not aggressive, I just dont want to be associated with that group

I honestly think the coach is the least of the Canuck worries so far. Especially since he is particular about rolling lines. If this were Torts, would JV/Horvat/etc. be getting much icetime? Probably under 10 mins per game. At least WD rolls them most of the time, and even some games lets the other teams match up, give a good challenge to these young guys. I understand teams like Washington, who are in the win-now mode and trying to find the right coach to get them through, Vancouver is not in that position

Yeah I agree on this, although that drop pass makes me cringe every time,
- Makita

totally. Some games they look tentative and do it way too early, it looks bad. Other teams have started using it though and make it look much better

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!

I like the parade idea, we can name Kevin Allen the Parade Marshall and see if shows up!
- Healthy-Scratch

who's Alt does this belong to?

No not aggressive, I just dont want to be associated with that group

I honestly think the coach is the least of the Canuck worries so far. Especially since he is particular about rolling lines. If this were Torts, would JV/Horvat/etc. be getting much icetime? Probably under 10 mins per game. At least WD rolls them most of the time, and even some games lets the other teams match up, give a good challenge to these young guys. I understand teams like Washington, who are in the win-now mode and trying to find the right coach to get them through, Vancouver is not in that position
- WhiteLie

No
- A_SteamingLombardi

Hey man, dont shoot the messenger! I think the idea of a playoff coach is as ridiculous as saying teams/players/coaches cant win because they have never won before.

And I agree with the second part, I think if you watch enough you can pick up on tenancies of lines/units, but there are a few posters that swear they dont exist. I have maintained forever that they exist and being that its the NHL it might be a little more complicated to see, particularly in game action when your strategies are clashing with your oppositions. Ultimately its up the the players to recognize the situations they are in and react accordingly. Its like the NFL, coach calls a play, but the QB is responsible for reading the defense and calling audibles, good ones see things and adapt - I dont think Canucks have many good/smart players that can adapt
- WhiteLie

It might be square peg into round hole issues. I've seen less talented Canuck teams perform or produce better over the years.

WD wants a defensive first trap system which may not suite these players. Or that they can't stay in that system because in today's NHL teams can score goals and so they wind up chasing the game. Thus not playing within the system.

Of course players need to execute and there are a number here that have struggled for different reasons. Perhaps if they are given a different play book they will succeed more often then fail.

who's Alt does this belong to?
- SRam19

You

No
- A_SteamingLombardi

Maybe you would have a thought if you read the original post and responded to why you don't view it like that.