Same here. I work for ministry of health and my media training consisted of "don't talk to the media".
- bloatedmosquito

That pretty much sums it up.

Edler out 4-6 weeks with a broken finger
- nucks_94

Here you go Stech it's your team now...

This image speaks volumes doesn't it?
- bloatedmosquito

Here you go Stech it's your team now...
- LordHumungous

I think we should leave Edler exposed for expansion draft, protect Sbisa instead.

I think we should leave Edler exposed for expansion draft, protect Sbisa instead.
- Scooby_Doo

The team should do everything they can to convince Edler to waive his NTC. Tanev can stay unless we recieve an amazing offer.

Hi guys, I was just conversing with LeftCoaster, over in Eklunds thread. He suggested I come over to the Canucks thread to discuss it with him here.

Please feel free to join us in our discussions.

Another topic - there were some Canucks fans quited pleased with the early season performance of the team, preaching that they were still a good team, and did not need rebuilding. Do you feel that the early season run was a horrible thing for the franchise?

Follow up question - will the Vancouver Canucks have a single player under the age of 36 break 40 points this year?

Follow up to follow up question - is the answer to the follow up question a good thing, or a bad thing?

please proceed LeftCoaster.

I think we should leave Edler exposed for expansion draft, protect Sbisa instead.
- Scooby_Doo

It's actually looking like that might be the way to go

oh no, you're definitely the rattled one.

Another topic - there were some Canucks fans quited pleased with the early season performance of the team, preaching that they were still a good team, and did not need rebuilding. Do you feel that the early season run was a horrible thing for the franchise?

Follow up question - will the Vancouver Canucks have a single player under the age of 36 break 40 points this year?

Follow up to follow up question - is the answer to the follow up question a good thing, or a bad thing?
- prock

Well Prock, I invited him over to discuss the Canucks because he was engaging me in Canucks chat on another blog, here's what I think.

I don't feel in any way that the four game win streak was a "horrible thing" for the franchise....because....the season is 82 games long. It would be completely short-sighted to judge the season on those four games given the managers didn't make any moves as a result of those four games.

Secondly, yes they will, Horvat and Eriksson will undoubtedly cross the 40 point threshold.

And lastly, it's neither good nor bad, it's just what rebuilding teams go through in the process of rebuilding.

The team should do everything they can to convince Edler to waive his NTC. Tanev can stay unless we recieve an amazing offer.
- CanuckDon

nah. i still think Edler brings more to the table that Tanev (and i like Tanev).

on another note, it's amusing to see the amount of people finally giving Sbisa his dues.
So many haters last year and to start this year, finally waking up and noticing that he has been playing well.

nah. i still think Edler brings more to the table that Tanev (and i like Tanev).

on another note, it's amusing to see the amount of people finally giving Sbisa his dues.
So many haters last year and to start this year, finally waking up and noticing that he has been playing well.
- dbot

He's appears to be playing better because he's taking on a lesser role, his minutes have been reduced....it's not because he's suddenly a better player.

Well Prock, I invited him over to discuss the Canucks because he was engaging me in Canucks chat on another blog, here's what I think.

I don't feel in any way that the four game win streak was a "horrible thing" for the franchise....because....the season is 82 games long. It would be completely short-sighted to judge the season on those four games given the managers didn't make any moves as a result of those four games.

Secondly, yes they will, Horvat and Eriksson will undoubtedly cross the 40 point threshold.

And lastly, it's neither good nor bad, it's just what rebuilding teams go through in the process of rebuilding.
- LeftCoaster

But, if you miss a first overall pick, by just a few points, will you feel differently? It's entirely possible the team is within 5 to 10 points of last place. Or very possibly last place anyway.

Well Prock, I invited him over to discuss the Canucks because he was engaging me in Canucks chat on another blog, here's what I think.

I don't feel in any way that the four game win streak was a "horrible thing" for the franchise....because....the season is 82 games long. It would be completely short-sighted to judge the season on those four games given the managers didn't make any moves as a result of those four games.

Secondly, yes they will, Horvat and Eriksson will undoubtedly cross the 40 point threshold.

And lastly, it's neither good nor bad, it's just what rebuilding teams go through in the process of rebuilding.
- LeftCoaster

Does Prock just want your opinion or is he not smart enough to figure the above out for himself?

But, if you miss a first overall pick, by just a few points, will you feel differently? It's entirely possible the team is within 5 to 10 points of last place. Or very possibly last place anyway.
- prock

No, we blame bettman when the lottery doesn't work out for us.

Edit: the canucks can't control placement in the lottery just their chances of getting 1st overall.

He's appears to be playing better because he's taking on a lesser role, his minutes have been reduced....it's not because he's suddenly a better player.
- LeftCoaster

He's a fine player, and has been for sometime.
He was part of a D corps that included Bartowski, Weber, Biega, etc. last year.
So yes, he's part of a better crew this year and not being exploited as much.

nah. i still think Edler brings more to the table that Tanev (and i like Tanev).

on another note, it's amusing to see the amount of people finally giving Sbisa his dues.
So many haters last year and to start this year, finally waking up and noticing that he has been playing well.
- dbot

It's not about what Edler brings versus what Tanev brings to the team. Tanev is substantially younger so he is a better long term fit. Agree on Sbisa, he was pretty decent as well last year. Our fanbase is hilarious. A player like Baertchi gets off to a slow start and he is all of a sudden worthless even though he was a "core player" at the end of last year. But when a player is initially perceived as bad by our idiotic media it takes years for people to form a positive opinion. It's entertaining

Does Prock just want your opinion or is he not smart enough to figure the above out for himself?
- bloatedmosquito

I disagree with his assessment, actually.

a) the season is 82 games long, but 8 points can make the difference in 4 or 5 spots int he standings.
b) Eriksson is not on pace for 40 points, I don't think it's a guarantee he makes it. It would be a career high for Horvat, too. I don't think he's a guarantee either.

No, we blame bettman when the lottery doesn't work out for us.

Edit: the canucks can't control placement in the lottery just their chances of getting 1st overall.
- bloatedmosquito

control, no. Increase odds, yes.

I disagree with his assessment, actually.

a) the season is 82 games long, but 8 points can make the difference in 4 or 5 spots int he standings.
b) Eriksson is not on pace for 40 points, I don't think it's a guarantee he makes it. It would be a career high for Horvat, too. I don't think he's a guarantee either.
- prock

Super interesting. thanks

But, if you miss a first overall pick, by just a few points, will you feel differently? It's entirely possible the team is within 5 to 10 points of last place. Or very possibly last place anyway.
- prock

The first overall, or last place team, has an 80% chance of not getting the first overall pick. My opinion is you can get a really quality NHL prospect in the top three or even top five. Scheifele was 7th overall.

The Canucks, like last year, will IMO be in a position to select top five again this year, that's the important part.

I disagree with his assessment, actually.

a) the season is 82 games long, but 8 points can make the difference in 4 or 5 spots int he standings.
b) Eriksson is not on pace for 40 points, I don't think it's a guarantee he makes it. It would be a career high for Horvat, too. I don't think he's a guarantee either.
- prock

You were asking opinion, not guarantees. Lefty thinks two players will get the points. We will just wait and see. Bookmark the page and get back to us in March.

8 points in the standings can make a difference but so can a 10 game losing skid and that is quite possible with this team. Injuries are starting to mount so it's just a matter of time before they start losing again.

The draft is now a lottery so we can't get too angry with the results.

Oh good! Prock is here...

The first overall, or last place team, has an 80% chance of not getting the first overall pick. My opinion is you can get a quality NHL prospect in the top three or even top five.

The Canucks, like last year, will IMO be in a position to select top five again this year, that's the important part.
- LeftCoaster

Interesting.

I'd argue that the difference between a top pick, sometimes top 2 pick, can be pretty significant. Sometimes not so much, agreed.

But Nolan Patrick seems to be a tier above everyone else, and Liljegren just below him, also ahead of the rest of the pack.

My personal take would be that either one would be a much bigger step forward for the Canucks than any other player in the draft.

It's true though, you never know. While it's early, the Leafs look like they very well may have snagged the second best player in the 2015 draft, at number 4. Early to tell though.

Read article Sedins say teams play more defensive now then when they broke into the league. They say it's harder to score now. Teams are not giving up odd man rushes and are always thinking defense; even when on the attack. It's a five man unit to break up plays so the cycle is thwarted. The Sedins have made adjustments like using their own D, but is that enough?

My take is they realize what it really takes to score now. That it's all about high end speed and quick skill to overcome the defensive envelope. Wonder if they are thinking retirement may come sooner then later.
- Nuck4U

no. If that were true all teams would have scoring issues. We dont see that.
AV messed up the core of the team by drilling that crap into their heads and now they're still snake bitten by it. In his 1st season scoring dried up and you couldnt buy a goal. Sedins were saying we know the team will only score a goal or 2 a game back then. It's still what they believe. He also had the team doing the whole perimeter play that they still use.
THe team will have scoring issues no matter who you get here until this issue is resolved. Put guys in front of net waiting for passes, providing screens etc... things the canucks do not currently do. Make the passing circle smaller as well, microseconds of difference are the difference in goals or rebounds, blocked shots vs screens.
Problem is the offensive system. Watch them, they will slow down by the blue line and wait for team members then limp across the line and wait for the setup of their perimeter play. THIS right there has to stop. Element of surprise is needed for scoring teams. Watch how other teams gain the zone then watch the canucks and it becomes obvious. Gain the zone with speed and not a goalie much time....straight to net.
When you watch recent ex-canucks like Kassian they STILL do the slow down at the line crap, so you see how ingrained it is in the team.

We need a coach who will change that all.

The first overall, or last place team, has an 80% chance of not getting the first overall pick. My opinion is you can get a really quality NHL prospect in the top three or even top five. Scheifele was 7th overall.

The Canucks, like last year, will IMO be in a position to select top five again this year, that's the important part.
- LeftCoaster

There should be 3-4 quality centers taken in the top 10 this draft. Horvat and ___ will make us set down the middle for years.

Oh good! Prock is here...
- nucks_94

I don't know why anyone would pick the name Prock... it sounds too similar to Prik or Cock.