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fortunaught
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Joined: 06.28.2015

Nov 28 @ 6:12 PM ET
I think that "Wooing" might have started with the Tahoe Tweezer. All due respect to Rick Flair.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 7:44 PM ET
stolly stolly he's our man
- 2Real


After just 1 game?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Nov 28 @ 8:19 PM ET
After just 1 game?
- ob18


of course since that means Mason and Neuvy are horrible.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 28 @ 9:06 PM ET
of course since that means Mason and Neuvy are horrible.
- dragonoffrost



Trade bait?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Nov 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
Trade bait?
- ob18


if they are out of the race at the deadline and someone becomes desperate for a goalie i would trade neuvy
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 28 @ 9:50 PM ET
if they are out of the race at the deadline and someone becomes desperate for a goalie i would trade neuvy
- nastyflyergirl


Shame the Isles are deep in goal...Ryan Strome is buried and Ryan Pulock is in limbo.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 28 @ 9:52 PM ET
Shame the Isles are deep in goal...Ryan Strome is buried and Ryan Pulock is in limbo.
- Jsaquella


Could finally get a Ryan in Philly
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 9:57 PM ET
Not really sure there's a market for Neuvirth right now. Which is kind of funny since last year people on here were imaginarily declining offers of 2 2nds or whatnot for him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 28 @ 9:58 PM ET
Not really sure there's a market for Neuvirth right now
- Mononoke


Semantics, dude. nothing but semantics
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 10:07 PM ET
Shame the Isles are deep in goal...Ryan Strome is buried and Ryan Pulock is in limbo.
- Jsaquella


Pulock has been injured though virtually the entire season, so I don't think they view him poorly or anything. Islanders fans seem to think he's NHL ready, but they also sent him down after camp because he was waiver exempt so they could (frank) around with the development of Barzal and Beauvillier. But got called back up and then injured. They may need to trade him for expansion purposes though.

Strome is kind of like the Islanders Brayden Schenn, except he broke in stronger and then regressed severely. Basically Benjamin Button Schenn. They can't decide to play him at wing or center, bouncing all around; not a good skater; questionable hockey sense; not great vision and turnover prone; 1-way. I mean, heck, they want to trade him as a reclamation project cheap, fine, but he seems like he kind of, well, sucks. Strome family is basically related to the Schenn family. Note to self: don't draft the slowest of them all Matthew Strome this draft.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 10:07 PM ET
Semantics, dude. nothing but semantics
- Jsaquella


I love semantics!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 28 @ 10:13 PM ET
Pulock has been injured though virtually the entire season, so I don't think they view him poorly or anything. Islanders fans seem to think he's NHL ready, but they also sent him down after camp because he was waiver exempt so they could (frank) around with the development of Barzal and Beauvillier. But got called back up and then injured.

Strome is kind of like the Islanders Brayden Schenn, except he broke in stronger and then regressed severely. Basically Benjamin Button Schenn. They can't decide to play him at wing or center, bouncing all around; not a good skater; questionable hockey sense; not great vision and turnover prone; 1-way. I mean, heck, they want to trade him as a reclamation project cheap, fine, but he seems like he kind of, well, sucks. Strome family is basically a version of the Schenn family. Note to self: don't draft the slowest of them all Matthew Strome this draft.

- Mononoke


True, on Strome, but there's also a large segment of Isles fan who feel they're doing a bad job handling kids. Rushing some in, then burying them at the first sign of a struggle.

I have seen a few Isles blogs suggesting Pulock could end up an expansion casualty, due to the defense limits.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 10:21 PM ET
True, on Strome, but there's also a large segment of Isles fan who feel they're doing a bad job handling kids. Rushing some in, then burying them at the first sign of a struggle.

I have seen a few Isles blogs suggesting Pulock could end up an expansion casualty, due to the defense limits.

- Jsaquella


If they keep Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuk....Pulock really has no chance to stay. And then they have Calvin de Haan who is a really solid player they could lose too.

You figure they will try to trade one or both prior for assets. And yes, the Islanders are a poop show in every sense. They actually seem to be a team that could protect 4 d men and sacrifice a forward....the way Strome is playing, he's not worth protecting. Then Tavares, Ladd (NMC lol...also the lowest scoring player on their team. Only Year 1 of 7), Nelson, then Lee/Czikas/Clutterbuck. Still will be exposing Pulock or de Haan.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 28 @ 10:24 PM ET
If they keep Hamonic, Leddy, Boychuk....Pulock really has no chance to stay. And then they have Calvin de Haan who is a really solid player they could lose too.

You figure they will try to trade one or both prior for assets. And yes, the Islanders are a poop show in every sense. They actually seem to be a team that could protect 4 d men and sacrifice a forward....the way Strome is playing, he's not worth protecting. Then Tavares, Ladd (NMC lol...also the lowest scoring player on their team. Only Year 1 of 7), Nelson, then Lee/Czikas/Clutterbuck. Still will be exposing Pulock or de Haan.

- Mononoke


And if they shop one or both, I'd be on the phone. Because after Ghost and Gudas, I'd protect one of them over Manning or MDZ, even
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 10:24 PM ET
I want to take this moment to acknowledge that Tanner Laczynski, our recent 6th round pick, is the 3rd highest scoring NCAA freshman and is leading his Ohio State team with 18 points in 13 games.

Should-have-been-a-Flyer 6'5" Riley Tufte is ripping it up to the tune of 0 points in 10 games at Minnesota-Duluth.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 28 @ 10:27 PM ET
I want to take this moment to acknowledge that Tanner Laczynski, our recent 6th round pick, is the 3rd highest scoring NCAA freshman and is leading his Ohio State team with 18 points in 13 games.

Should-have-been-a-Flyer 6'5" Riley Tufte is ripping it up to the tune of 0 points in 10 games at Minnesota-Duluth.

- Mononoke


So glad they didn't take Tufte. Dominated Minnesota HS, struggled in USHL and on U17 team.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 10:34 PM ET
So glad they didn't take Tufte. Dominated Minnesota HS, struggled in USHL and on U17 team.
- Jsaquella


Brace yourself in a few months for Nikita Popugayev talk. 6'6" Russian winger out of WHL, projected 1st. My guess is he's this year's must be Flyerz pick.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 28 @ 10:35 PM ET
Brace yourself in a few months for Nikita Popugayev talk. 6'6" Russian winger out of WHL, projected 1st. My guess is he's this year's must be Flyerz pick.
- Mononoke


Big guy, Flyers need wingers, HExy loves Russians....done deal
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 28 @ 11:41 PM ET
Goff > Wentz
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 28 @ 11:59 PM ET
Goff > Wentz
- Nucker101


Mason > Wentz
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Nov 29 @ 12:00 AM ET
Mason > Wentz
- Mononoke

murray > stolarz
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 29 @ 12:07 AM ET
Maybe it's more about sending a message to Schenn that he needs to be more involved and earn a spot with more talented players. He had a solid game last night, definitely more involved than in past games, but he still was lazy on the back check at times and that's really the issue a lot of folks have with Schenn.

Production is great, but he's got to be more involved. He's not effective as a perimeter player and never will be.

- Jsaquella


How is one player the number one top of the state of an inconsistent team? Schenn started the season three games late and still fourth in offensive production on the team.

The biggest issue is Giroux and Voracek are both a team worst minus eight. Both are being outplayed by Wayne Simmonds who doesn't get paid half the amount of cash they do. This is the real issue. This is the real story. Neither G or Jake are carrying this team any to put the focus anywhere else is a copout. A deflection.

Schenn who doesn't play center often...easily our best center in all three zones on Sunday.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Nov 29 @ 12:16 AM ET
murray > stolarz
- stayinthefnnet


If this makes PLindbergh31 post their draft positions for the 50th time, I'm going to report you.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Nov 29 @ 12:22 AM ET
In my opinion the Flyers need to settle a major hole. Either have Schenn settle in at second/third line center and upgrade at LW or keep Schenn as a top six LW and upgrade at the center spot.

Giroux
Schenn
Couturier

A few things to keep in mind. If Schenn finally settles in at center, Laughton will have to settle in at LW long term. If Schenn goes back to wing, Laughton might have to be tried again at center. The Couturier debate as to whether or not he is a second line center or a third line center is a valid argument. Just know that the Penguins and Sharks making it to the Cup finals might have been on the backs of two lines that are centered by legitimate stars who can center a top line on any team (Crosby/Malkin, Thornton, Pavelski or Marleau).
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 29 @ 12:42 AM ET
How is one player the number one top of the state of an inconsistent team? Schenn started the season three games late and still fourth in offensive production on the team.

The biggest issue is Giroux and Voracek are both a team worst minus eight. Both are being outplayed by Wayne Simmonds who doesn't get paid half the amount of cash they do. This is the real issue. This is the real story. Neither G or Jake are carrying this team any to put the focus anywhere else is a copout. A deflection.

Schenn who doesn't play center often...easily our best center in all three zones on Sunday.

- SuperSchennBros


Giroux, and Voracek to a lesser extent, have years of producing and carrying the team offensively. Despite their recent slumps, they're both still among the top 25 or so in scoring, and Voracek had a very strong game against the Flames.

Schenn has been a wildly inconsistent player for 5 seasons now. Up and down, over and again. He's gotten prime usage on scoring lines and on the powerplay. He signed a new contract that makes him the 3rd highest paid forward, and this season has been more of the same, up and down play.

There's a reasonable expectation that both Giroux and Voracek will come around and start producing again at high levels. There's no reason to suspect Schenn will be anything other than the streaky, inconsistent guy he has been for 5 seasons.

That's why people bring up Schenn in a negative light. No, he's not the only or biggest issue. But when Giroux and Voracek start producing again, does Schenn find consistency? That's why people give a break to Giroux or Voracek. They have earned it because they have done it for years with their play.

The only thing Schenn has done is shown flashes and had his level of play go up and down like a see saw. Where Giroux and Voracek spent years driving play and creating offense, Schenn was more often a passenger. Need to make a bigger impact with his new contract.
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