Not factoring in who is on the right and left side of the ice. If, Murray made no moves to ship away draft picks and prospects, here is what we might be icing tonight. Make of it what you will, but I think it would be awfully fun to watch good or bad.

Armia-Eichel-Reinhart
Okposo-Gregorenko-Ennis
Moulson-Larsson-Gionta
Foligno-Girgensons-Carrier

Risto-Myers
Zads-McCabe
McNabb-Pysyk
Franson-Gorges-Nelson

Nilsson, Ullmark

Next up in line:

Lemieux, Bailey, Baptiste, Compher, Ghule, Nylander, picks #60 (2014) #21 ,25, 31, and 43 (2015 draft), Petersen, Johanson
- sskkoo1

He was right to move prospects and picks. He was wrong about who he moved them for and it has hurt this team.

9

there was league wide recognition about the "war chest" the sabres had. Almost every leafs fan I knew was wet with jealousy.
- Sabresfan-365

I'd go with a 7.5 with the only reason of it not being a 9 due to the unending talk of changing draft rules for the McDavid and Eichel draft and the myriad of teams that ended up bottoming out like never before early on in that season.

With how the Coyotes and Maple Leafs crashed and burned, I still believe at least part of the reason for the Kane trade at the time it was made was due to his season ending injury and it helping assure the team with the best chance possible to finish last.

I know others have said that team was finishing last no matter what, but I would suggest you look again and remember just how horrible Arizona and Toronto were for a long period of time.

With Stafford and Myers playing the rest of the season, I nowhere near certain they end up last in the standings.

He was right to move prospects and picks. He was wrong about who he moved them for and it has hurt this team.
- Sabresfan-365

Completely agree. He had the assets to move a few out of her, but I hate the returns. I give him full credit on O'reilly, he's damn good.

Not factoring in who is on the right and left side of the ice. If, Murray made no moves to ship away draft picks and prospects, here is what we might be icing tonight. Make of it what you will, but I think it would be awfully fun to watch good or bad.

Armia-Eichel-Reinhart
Okposo-Gregorenko-Ennis
Moulson-Larsson-Gionta
Foligno-Girgensons-Carrier

Risto-Myers
Zads-McCabe
McNabb-Pysyk
Franson-Gorges-Nelson

Nilsson, Ullmark

Next up in line:

Lemieux, Bailey, Baptiste, Compher, Ghule, Nylander, picks #60 (2014) #21 ,25, 31, and 43 (2015 draft), Petersen, Johanson
- sskkoo1

Wow that is one uninspiring group of forwards overall.

The D is better but I'm not sure how much it would have helped the team with that collection of forwards.

Wow that is one uninspiring group of forwards overall.

The D is better but I'm not sure how much it would have helped the team with that collection of forwards.
- kingcong39

We don't know how much picks 21, 25, and 31 in the 2015 draft would be helping that roster. That was a very good draft class.

He was right to move prospects and picks. He was wrong about who he moved them for and it has hurt this team.
- Sabresfan-365

He was right to move some. The timing was bad though.

We very well could have had a Laine or Matthews without Ryan O'Reilly trade. Or even Tkachuk who looks excellent.

My biggest beef was that O'Reilly, Kane etc were never once in a lifetime players. Just a year later you see guys like Taylor Hall and PK Subban dealt. Would have been nice to at least have had some arsenal to acquire or try to get them

We don't know how much picks 21, 25, and 31 in the 2015 draft would be helping that roster. That was a very good draft class.
- sskkoo1

Not to mention, it's not like we are world beaters now. So what's the difference exactly?

And that Konecny kid looks pretty good

This thread. And, apparently, our GM, 3/4 of our team, 985 of our prospects, and our goal song (probably).


- Khmylev

You forgot the HB posters too

Not factoring in who is on the right and left side of the ice. If, Murray made no moves to ship away draft picks and prospects, here is what we might be icing tonight. Make of it what you will, but I think it would be awfully fun to watch good or bad.

Armia-Eichel-Reinhart
Okposo-Gregorenko-Ennis
Moulson-Larsson-Gionta
Foligno-Girgensons-Carrier

Risto-Myers
Zads-McCabe
McNabb-Pysyk
Franson-Gorges-Nelson

Nilsson, Ullmark

Next up in line:

Lemieux, Bailey, Baptiste, Compher, Ghule, Nylander, picks #60 (2014) #21 ,25, 31, and 43 (2015 draft), Petersen, Johanson
- sskkoo1

Is that not what everyone was saying for 15-16 season? People were saying Buffalo's top 6 was a legit threat with the additions of ROR and Kane.

He was right to move some. The timing was bad though.

We very well could have had a Laine or Matthews without Ryan O'Reilly trade. Or even Tkachuk who looks excellent.

My biggest beef was that O'Reilly, Kane etc were never once in a lifetime players. Just a year later you see guys like Taylor Hall and PK Subban dealt. Would have been nice to at least have had some arsenal to acquire or try to get them
- sbroads24

Kane was obviously not, but O'Reilly is a beast and feels like the kind of player you need as the core of your team if you want to make long playoff runs.

How much would Buffalo have had to give to even been able to get a seat at the table regarding Subban? They clearly didn't and don't have a Weber, in part based on his reputation, and it would have been an in division trade.

It would have been nice to pick up somebody from the Nashville D core without question.

Not to mention, it's not like we are world beaters now. So what's the difference exactly?

And that Konecny kid looks pretty good
- sbroads24

I will say, it would cost the rest of this season but, if we tanked we could land another top 3 pick. Nolan would lock up this offense, or Liljigren would be ready in a year to be our top pair #2 RD with Risto.

We could dump Gionta, Nilsson, and Franson for 3rds, Kuli for a 2nd, and maybe unload Ennis, Moulson, Bogo, Girg at the deadline also. Even if we don't unload that second crop of guys, our draft this year would still look like:

1 top three first round pick, 3 second round picks, 4 third round picks, not too bad of a restock adding to what we still have left.

Kane was obviously not, but O'Reilly is a beast and feels like the kind of player you need as the core of your team if you want to make long playoff runs.

How much would Buffalo have had to give to even been able to get a seat at the table regarding Subban? They clearly didn't and don't have a Weber, in part based on his reputation, and it would have been an in division trade.

It would have been nice to pick up somebody from the Nashville D core without question.
- kingcong39

I love O'Reilly, and this is pure speculation and just for fun, but could you imagine if we held off, sucked bad enough to get Laine, and Peter Chiarelli loved Zadorov like he loved Larsson?

Not that it would be straight up, but I'd take Hall and Laine over O'Reilly and Nylander any day

Again, just for fun

I will say, it would cost the rest of this season but, if we tanked we could land another top 3 pick. Nolan would lock up this offense, or Liljigren would be ready in a year to be our top pair #2 RD with Risto.

We could dump Gionta, Nilsson, and Franson for 3rds, Kuli for a 2nd, and maybe unload Ennis, Moulson, Bogo, Girg at the deadline also. Even if we don't unload that second crop of guys, our draft this year would still look like:

1 top three first round pick, 3 second round picks, 4 third round picks, not too bad of a restock adding to what we still have left.
- sskkoo1

That or we have to trade our pick to get an impact D man. Even Murray realizes this group won't cut it long term

That or we have to trade our pick to get an impact D man. Even Murray realizes this group won't cut it long term
- sbroads24

Risto and McCabe are the only two in this group I want to see long term. (maybe Guhle) If the rest brought back a #2, ship them all out. We can easily refill spots 4-7.

Risto and McCabe are the only two in this group I want to see long term. (maybe Guhle) If the rest brought back a #2, ship them all out. We can easily refill spots 4-7.
- sskkoo1

I like the Justin Faulk idea a lot. Or Shattenkirk.

Fowler has also been really good this year

I like the Justin Faulk idea a lot. Or Shattenkirk.

Fowler has also been really good this year
- sbroads24

He's been good, but still not a #2

I like the Justin Faulk idea a lot. Or Shattenkirk.

Fowler has also been really good this year
- sbroads24

Not that it would happened, but if we could unload any combination of: Bogo, Kuli, Kane, Ennis, Girgs, prospects not named Nylander, second round picks, and a whole plethora of others in the system for any of those defensemen you mentioned, I would do it in a heartbeat.

movie updates

ben hur, slow but watchable
arrival, sucked big time
inferno, not as good as angels and demons but a decent watch
- homiedclown

Heard Ben Hur was dogpoop.

Haven't seen Inferno yet, but I liked DaVinci code more than Angels and Demons.

Heard Ben Hur was dogpoop.

Haven't seen Inferno yet, but I liked DaVinci code more than Angels and Demons.
- Wetbandit1

Inferno was okay, the other books and the movies following Robert Langdon were better.

Arrival wasn't bad at all. It could have been better but definitely worth a DVD rental.

Ok, this makes sense.

It sounds to me then you didn't see guys like Zadorov as being NHL top pairing ready then correct? I think my larger point was that we over valued our prospects. Our prospect pool was not as deep as a Pens/Hawks when they began. Possibly the same in quantity but certainly not quality.

Tim Murray had to give up all that he did just to get the team to the level that it is right now, which is a tweener team. That's to be expected in the time frame since he's inherited the team. Team's that are terrible and have a crappy "core" don't go from bottom feeding to a deep playoff run in three years. Typically you're looking at five plus before they're even sniffing the playoffs. We could be sniffing the playoffs this year or sniffing a lotto pick who knows? As of right now I'm inclined to believe closer to the playoffs, given this team's current standing with all the injuries, they're still in the thick of it. If you lose the cornerstone of your franchise for a quarter of the season early in the rebuild process, and you DON'T have a ton of quality pieces NHL ready in the pipe yet, it's going to hurt.

The fact that they're in the position they're in is kind of remarkable actually.
- gcomella34

A lot of people undervalue what Eichel brings. He's not ROR, he's not Okposo, we haven't had a guy like him here since, what? Mogilny and Lafontaine?

I find it interesting that Murray brought up trading Reinhart today totally unbidden. I wonder if he's gotten offers for him.

A lot of people undervalue what Eichel brings. He's not ROR, he's not Okposo, we haven't had a guy like him here since, what? Mogilny and Lafontaine?

I find it interesting that Murray brought up trading Reinhart today totally unbidden. I wonder if he's gotten offers for him.
- Wetbandit1

That's pretty big. What he say?

Not factoring in who is on the right and left side of the ice. If, Murray made no moves to ship away draft picks and prospects, here is what we might be icing tonight. Make of it what you will, but I think it would be awfully fun to watch good or bad.

Armia-Eichel-Reinhart
Okposo-Gregorenko-Ennis
Moulson-Larsson-Gionta
Foligno-Girgensons-Carrier

Risto-Myers
Zads-McCabe
McNabb-Pysyk
Franson-Gorges-Nelson

Nilsson, Ullmark

Next up in line:

Lemieux, Bailey, Baptiste, Compher, Ghule, Nylander, picks #60 (2014) #21 ,25, 31, and 43 (2015 draft), Petersen, Johanson
- sskkoo1

Substitute strome for eichel, cuz if we don't make the trade with WPG, we don't finish last. Okposo said one of the main reasons he signed with BUF is because of eichel. So Elminate him too. The team would be a disaster. Remember also that GMTM not only interested a bad NHL team, he inherited a historically bad one. You had to go back decades to see teams with less goals per game

Inferno was okay, the other books and the movies following Robert Langdon were better.

Arrival wasn't bad at all. It could have been better but definitely worth a DVD rental.
- sskkoo1

I'll check out Arrival when it pops up in HD, but it doesn't look that great from the trailers, just looks frustrating. Like they try and manufacture tension.

I tried to watch Sully last week 2 weeks ago, and I was pissed that I got over an hour into it and the streaming site's copy was corrupted and it started skipping all over the place and had a screen in Korean pop up which I'm assuming was some technical difficulties thing. But all the other movies and shows worked just fine. But I really can't complain about free.

I'll check out Arrival when it pops up in HD, but it doesn't look that great from the trailers, just looks frustrating. Like they try and manufacture tension.

I tried to watch Sully last week 2 weeks ago, and I was pissed that I got over an hour into it and the streaming site's copy was corrupted and it started skipping all over the place and had a screen in Korean pop up which I'm assuming was some technical difficulties thing. But all the other movies and shows worked just fine. But I really can't complain about free.
- Wetbandit1

It's more of a drama than anything else. It's a little psychological and space-time continuum trippy.

Substitute strome for eichel, cuz if we don't make the trade with WPG, we don't finish last. Okposo said one of the main reasons he signed with BUF is because of eichel. So Elminate him too. The team would be a disaster. Remember also that GMTM not only interested a bad NHL team, he inherited a historically bad one. You had to go back decades to see teams with less goals per game
- turbo044

I wasn't commenting on Murray good or bad, just saying this would be the guys we have. As for Eichel, no guarantee where we would have ended up. If, they didn't screw up the lottery ball picking McDavid would be a Sabre too.