Give it another shot. I was ready to bail around that time too cause I thought it was getting boring. Make it to the episode where Bernard gets fired. See if it doesn't recapture your interest. The piano music and occasional violin music in the show is awesome.
- Hatboro_Swords

black hole sun in the first episode was amazing. it's a wonderfully creepy choice

No offense, but this is total BS. He inherited a gold mine, and it was maybe the most highly sought after GM job in a while when Darcy was let go.

We had a top 3 prospect pool, on a trajectory to Reinhart, with 3 first round picks in a loaded 2015 draft, with oodles of Cap room.
- sbroads24

No its not because of all of those in the prospect pool who has turned into anything lights out? Not a single one. Just because your fancy stats thinks McCabb is a world beater everyone else sees he is riding his partners coat tails.

Armia is a solid 3rd liner now it seems great, that's not what he was projected as. Grigorenko and Zadorov? I'd rather have ROR.

Prospects are nothing more than a hope they are good...

No its not because of all of those in the prospect pool who has turned into anything lights out? Not a single one. Just because your fancy stats thinks McCabb is a world beater everyone else sees he is riding his partners coat tails.

Armia is a solid 3rd liner now it seems great, that's not what he was projected as. Grigorenko and Zadorov? I'd rather have ROR.

Prospects are nothing more than a hope they are good...
- Stripes77

No offense, but this is total BS. He inherited a gold mine, and it was maybe the most highly sought after GM job in a while when Darcy was let go.

We had a top 3 prospect pool, on a trajectory to Reinhart, with 3 first round picks in a loaded 2015 draft, with oodles of Cap room.
- sbroads24

Regier positioned the Sabres to be in the best position to land McDavid and I want to believe it was calculated.

No its not because of all of those in the prospect pool who has turned into anything lights out? Not a single one. Just because your fancy stats thinks McCabb is a world beater everyone else sees he is riding his partners coat tails.

Armia is a solid 3rd liner now it seems great, that's not what he was projected as. Grigorenko and Zadorov? I'd rather have ROR.

Prospects are nothing more than a hope they are good...
- Stripes77

This is complete revisionist history.

Anyone that thinks Murray inherited a mess is out of their god damn mind.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It tough to compare Chicago and Buffalo. Kane and Toews were like the cherry you put on top of the Sunday. Check their draft history starting at 2000. They had 10 first round picks for seven years, most of which were top 10. Most of those players drafted stayed with the team or were present for that run.

.
- gcomella34

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...aft/teams/dr00005218.html

2000
yakubov (10th), vorobiev (11th)
nothing

2001
ruutu 9th, munro 29th

nothing

2002
babchuk 21st
nothing

2003
seabrook, 14th
gold

2004
barker 3rd



2005
skille 7th

fringe 4th liner

2006
toews 3rd
gold

2007
kane 1st
gold


2008
beach 11th
bust

2009
olsen 28th

blah


it was the later round picks that rounded out the team

buf, keith, brouwer, bickell, bolland, hjalmarsson, smith, kruger, crawford

No offense, but this is total BS. He inherited a gold mine, and it was maybe the most highly sought after GM job in a while when Darcy was let go.

We had a top 3 prospect pool, on a trajectory to Reinhart, with 3 first round picks in a loaded 2015 draft, with oodles of Cap room.
- sbroads24

Convince me,I'm game, I mean this sincerely too.

Where are all those top prospects right now? How much are they contributing at the NHL level?

I agree with you that our prospect pool LOOKED great, I'm saying that in REALITY it wasn't what we thought.

I remember the DISASTER that was the Traverse City Prospects tournament where our top three prospect pool got man handled or laid an egg, which ever they did screams to me they weren't top three.

Convince me, I'm open to admitting when I'm wrong, this is just the way I see it.

Give it another shot. I was ready to bail around that time too cause I thought it was getting boring. Make it to the episode where Bernard gets fired. See if it doesn't recapture your interest. The piano music and occasional violin music in the show is awesome.
- Hatboro_Swords

best thing on that show was rustic version of black hole sun


I will give it a shot next week

Any turn into allstars from that group ?
- cabin

Survey says:

I am okay with that if you top 4 is something like

Risto Shattenkirk (pipedream)
McCabe Kulikov/Bogo
- Stripes77

agreed

as long as your asking them to play 12 minutes a night, little more for fedun with pp time, they are fine


much better than the days of weber and benoit

No its not because of all of those in the prospect pool who has turned into anything lights out? Not a single one. Just because your fancy stats thinks McCabb is a world beater everyone else sees he is riding his partners coat tails.

Armia is a solid 3rd liner now it seems great, that's not what he was projected as. Grigorenko and Zadorov? I'd rather have ROR.

Prospects are nothing more than a hope they are good...
- Stripes77

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005218.html

2000
yakubov (10th), vorobiev (11th)
nothing

2001
ruutu 9th, munro 29th

nothing

2002
babchuk 21st
nothing

2003
seabrook, 14th
gold

2004
barker 3rd



2005
skille 7th

fringe 4th liner

2006
toews 3rd
gold

2007
kane 1st
gold


2008
beach 11th
bust

2009
olsen 28th

blah


it was the later round picks that rounded out the team

buf, keith, brouwer, bickell, bolland, hjalmarsson, smith, kruger, crawford
- homiedclown

If you check my follow up post I did post that the second rounds actually did better.

I made a mistake for sure, but my larger point was they were drafting a long time with top ten picks so they're suffering was little longer than ours.

But thanks for the correction.

This is complete revisionist history.

Anyone that thinks Murray inherited a mess is out of their god damn mind.
- sbroads24

You're out to lunch...stay there

This team was a god damn mess.

How come there weren't people banging down the doors to be a GM here?

How come they had to go with a first time GM?

You think you know everything but this team was a joke around the league and the reason they had to go to a first time GM is because nobody wanted to touch this team.

Convince me,I'm game, I mean this sincerely too.

Where are all those top prospects right now? How much are they contributing at the NHL level?

I agree with you that our prospect pool LOOKED great, I'm saying that in REALITY it wasn't what we thought.

I remember the DISASTER that was the Traverse City Prospects tournament where our top three prospect pool got man handled or laid an egg, which ever they did screams to me they weren't top three.

Convince me, I'm open to admitting when I'm wrong, this is just the way I see it.
- gcomella34

our prospect pool is fine, when you consider eichel and reinhart are already with the big club

a little more wow would be nice up front and back end


goalies are stacked 3 deep


biggest issue I have is murray gave up a lot for fasching, and he is doing nothing

agreed

as long as your asking them to play 12 minutes a night, little more for fedun with pp time, they are fine


much better than the days of weber and benoit
- homiedclown

Oh dear god!! I saw Carlo signed overseas...

You're out to lunch...stay there

This team was a god damn mess.

How come there weren't people banging down the doors to be a GM here?

How come they had to go with a first time GM?

You think you know everything but this team was a joke around the league and the reason they had to go to a first time GM is because nobody wanted to touch this team.
- Stripes77

our prospect pool is fine, when you consider eichel and reinhart are already with the big club

a little more wow would be nice up front and back end


goalies are stacked 3 deep


biggest issue I have is murray gave up a lot for fasching, and he is doing nothing
- homiedclown

My larger point was that our prospect pool wasn't good prior to this regime.

I'm feeling good about what we have now. We just need to keep rolling.


In the second round as well as you accurately point out.

Convince me,I'm game, I mean this sincerely too.

Where are all those top prospects right now? How much are they contributing at the NHL level?

I agree with you that our prospect pool LOOKED great, I'm saying that in REALITY it wasn't what we thought.

I remember the DISASTER that was the Traverse City Prospects tournament where our top three prospect pool got man handled or laid an egg, which ever they did screams to me they weren't top three.

Convince me, I'm open to admitting when I'm wrong, this is just the way I see it.
- gcomella34

The point is the prospects had value. What Murray did with that Value is on him.

He turned Grigo/Zads and Compher into a really good player. He had the currency to do so because of the assets we had.

He turned our default #1 D (Myers) who had value, along with the other pieces into the Kane trade, he was able to make that trade because of the assets he had available to him.

Same with the Fasching trade. He was ABLE to trade 2 extra 2nd round picks plus McNabb for a prospect he coveted, because we had a boatload of assets.

Same reason we could toss a 3rd for Vesey, because we had assets.

Same with Gorges. Same with Lehner.

He inherited assets to craft this team as he saw fit. It's a GM's wet dream

If you check my follow up post I did post that the second rounds actually did better.

I made a mistake for sure, but my larger point was they were drafting a long time with top ten picks so they're suffering was little longer than ours.

But thanks for the correction.
- gcomella34

most of those first round picks sucked, darcy esque


they landed 4 all stars, 2 on the blue line and 2 up front


that is an outstanding foundation



my realistic view, we landed 1 fringe all star, eichel



reinhart, nylander, risto could get there, and the others got traded away due to being underwhelming

zads
gringo
girgens
armia
pysyk
zassian
myers (for trash in return)
ennis
persson

You're out to lunch...stay there

This team was a god damn mess.

How come there weren't people banging down the doors to be a GM here?

How come they had to go with a first time GM?

You think you know everything but this team was a joke around the league and the reason they had to go to a first time GM is because nobody wanted to touch this team.
- Stripes77

http://www.buffalohockeyb...remely-attractive-gm-job/
He noted “the cupboard is not bare.” The Sabres have nine first- and second-round picks over the next two years, a stable of choice prospects, salary cap space and ownership willing to spend freely in all facets.

“A blank slate,” Murray said. “Money to spend when it’s the right time here to be a cap team. This was just an attractive, attractive time for me to branch out on my own and put my stamp on the game of hockey.”

The point is the prospects had value. What Murray did with that Value is on him.

He turned Grigo/Zads and Compher into a really good player. He had the currency to do so because of the assets we had.

He turned our default #1 D (Myers) who had value, along with the other pieces into the Kane trade, he was able to make that trade because of the assets he had available to him.

Same with the Fasching trade. He was ABLE to trade 2 extra 2nd round picks plus McNabb for a prospect he coveted, because we had a boatload of assets.

Same reason we could toss a 3rd for Vesey, because we had assets.

Same with Gorges. Same with Lehner.

He inherited assets to craft this team as he saw fit. It's a GM's wet dream
- sbroads24

It's a decent counter.

Oh dear god!! I saw Carlo signed overseas...
- Stripes77

he would have been fine as the 7th d man IMO here

You're out to lunch...stay there

This team was a god damn mess.

How come there weren't people banging down the doors to be a GM here?

How come they had to go with a first time GM?

You think you know everything but this team was a joke around the league and the reason they had to go to a first time GM is because nobody wanted to touch this team.
- Stripes77

http://media.wgr550.com/t...s-highly-sought-after.htm

Here is Dreger talking about how highly sought after the job was.

You just refuse to remember

http://www.buffalohockeybeat.com/tim-murray-ready-to-tackle-sabres-extremely-attractive-gm-job/
He noted “the cupboard is not bare.” The Sabres have nine first- and second-round picks over the next two years, a stable of choice prospects, salary cap space and ownership willing to spend freely in all facets.

“A blank slate,” Murray said. “Money to spend when it’s the right time here to be a cap team. This was just an attractive, attractive time for me to branch out on my own and put my stamp on the game of hockey.”
- sbroads24

First time GM with no GM experience...nobody who wasn't a first time GM wanted this job...that speaks more than a quote from a guy that just got hired...

The point is the prospects had value. What Murray did with that Value is on him.

He turned Grigo/Zads and Compher into a really good player. He had the currency to do so because of the assets we had.

He turned our default #1 D (Myers) who had value, along with the other pieces into the Kane trade, he was able to make that trade because of the assets he had available to him.

Same with the Fasching trade. He was ABLE to trade 2 extra 2nd round picks plus McNabb for a prospect he coveted, because we had a boatload of assets.

Same reason we could toss a 3rd for Vesey, because we had assets.

Same with Gorges. Same with Lehner.

He inherited assets to craft this team as he saw fit. It's a GM's wet dream
- sbroads24

I have to think if you offered 2 second round picks and mccabe, we could have landed potentially that other d man to play with risto

if scouted right