How is julevie(sp) considered? But Demko and Boeser are not? Come on, it was a bit weak in knowledge.
- rune_74

I thought Juolevi should have been left out, myself.

Yah I don't think it was Willy D matching the Sedins with Kesler, it was more-so the other way around. Kesler has ALWAYS been used against other teams top lines. I also disagree with Bo's deployment. 7th 8th 9th for Bo, Burrows and Baertschi in ice time (respectively) is not good enough considering they have been your most offensive line as of late.
- Codes1087

No it was his inability. He has last change. Yet he didn't mind that matchup until it was obviously wrong. His solution let's use Chaput more.

Since the players weren't generating any good chances, our old pal The Stanchion took it upon itself to set up Henrik Sedin for his sixth of the year


- dbot

Remember that spot for the 2020 Cup final

Apparently Miller is starting tomorrow

"Since winning Game 5 of the of 2011 final to get within a single victory of the Stanley Cup, the Canucks have a grand total of three playoff wins. Only two teams—Toronto was one—finished with fewer points than Vancouver last year and the club is tracking similar results with a rickety roster this season. The Canucks are life and death to get to two goals each night, which isn’t going to cut it when you give up an average of nearly three."

That's just accurate. Frankly, so is the rest of the article. Kind of a tough pill to swollow. One of the few Toronto/Vancouver articles that acknowledges that we were very good for a long time, but points out that we are living in the past (which we are).
- neem55

Sure, he made some points that are factually accurate...

But the best part of the article is that the Toronto-based sports writer doesn't understand why Canucks fans dislike the Leafs and Toronto in general, so he proceeds to write an article saying that the Canucks are doing it wrong and would be lucky to be more like the Leafs right now.

"Since winning Game 5 of the of 2011 final to get within a single victory of the Stanley Cup, the Canucks have a grand total of three playoff wins. Only two teams—Toronto was one—finished with fewer points than Vancouver last year and the club is tracking similar results with a rickety roster this season. The Canucks are life and death to get to two goals each night, which isn’t going to cut it when you give up an average of nearly three."

That's just accurate. Frankly, so is the rest of the article. Kind of a tough pill to swollow. One of the few Toronto/Vancouver articles that acknowledges that we were very good for a long time, but points out that we are living in the past (which we are).
- neem55

They state the obvious. Can't disagree we are living in the past. I kind of look at it as "stuck" because this is the results of the long commitment to having the Sedin's as the nucleus of the owner's financial investment years ago. I see no tear down if we can't step away from them. It will be much easier post-Sedins. Some of the middle-aged players will be movable and worth something... some will still be young enough to be part of the plan. Eriksson's NTC has more options post-Sedins as well... Markstrom hopefully will have value. The warning were out there when the Sedin's we re-signed long term.

Toronto is still trading away 1st round picks and attempting to acquire Kessel type deals involving 26 year old stars that will cost them their younger talents and 1st round picks... they tore it down but as far as I'm concerned, they are willing to repeat mistakes and are one trade away from looking like the same damn impatient Burke.

Apparently Miller is starting tomorrow
- PetrolSexual

Top 5 pick

Sure, he made some points that are factually accurate...

But the best part of the article is that the Toronto-based sports writer doesn't understand why Canucks fans dislike the Leafs and Toronto in general, so he proceeds to write an article saying that the Canucks are doing it wrong and would be lucky to be more like the Leafs right now.
- nucks_94

Sure, he made some points that are factually accurate...

But the best part of the article is that the Toronto-based sports writer doesn't understand why Canucks fans dislike the Leafs and Toronto in general, so he proceeds to write an article saying that the Canucks are doing it wrong and would be lucky to be more like the Leafs right now.
- nucks_94

Which is true.

I do think his sentiment of not getting why we hate Toronto to be funny too, but that's really not the thrust of the article were talking about here.

Apparently Miller is starting tomorrow
- PetrolSexual

Which is true.

I do think his sentiment of not getting why we hate Toronto to be funny too, but that's really not the thrust of the article were talking about here.
- neem55

Of course it's true. That's not really the point... Did you need to read that article to realize that we're doing it wrong?

Also, let's hold off on crowning Toronto the King of the Rebuilds until they are better than mediocre...

They state the obvious. Can't disagree we are living in the past. I kind of look at it as "stuck" because this is the results of the long commitment to having the Sedin's as the nucleus of the owner's financial investment years ago. I see no tear down if we can't step away from them. It will be much easier post-Sedins. Some of the middle-aged players will be movable and worth something... some will still be young enough to be part of the plan. Eriksson's NTC has more options post-Sedins as well... Markstrom hopefully will have value. The warning were out there when the Sedin's we re-signed long term.

Toronto is still trading away 1st round picks and attempting to acquire Kessel type deals involving 26 year old stars that will cost them their younger talents and 1st round picks... they tore it down but as far as I'm concerned, they are willing to repeat mistakes and are one trade away from looking like the same damn impatient Burke.

- boonerbuck

Did you mean trading for 1st round picks? When was the last time they traded one away? They chose 2 first and second rounders last year. 1 first and 2 second's the year before... not quite sure what you mean.

-1 after nine

Of course it's true. That's not really the point... Did you need to read that article to realize that we're doing it wrong?

Also, let's hold off on crowning Toronto the King of the Rebuilds until they are better than mediocre...
- nucks_94

There's a lot of good inferences made in the article, which is why I pointed it out. I didn't share it for people who know everything about rebuilding, rather people who are undecided whether Canucks tanking/trading players.

No one is crowning anyone, the article is saying "look what three top 5 picks looks like" and saying "maybe try that, Vancouver". they are better and on the right track. I hate Toronto, but it's true of both them and Edmonton, Buffalo, Winnipeg... pretty much every team that was on the bottom last year. Does it work for every team? No, of course not. But it worked for Chicago and Pittsburgh. really looks like its working for Edmonton.

Apparently Miller is starting tomorrow
- PetrolSexual

Not sure I understand the concern over Miller starting?

Miller: 13 starts, .907 save % (.901 5on5 save %; .944 powerplay save %) 2.80 GAA
Markstrom: 11 starts, .902 save % (.912 5on5 Save %; .825 powerplay Save %) 2.73 GAA

We knew they would be close to 50/50 split in starts, and their stats arent too different

Did you mean trading for 1st round picks? When was the last time they traded one away? They chose 2 first and second rounders last year. 1 first and 2 second's the year before... not quite sure what you mean.
- neem55

Anderson

Did you mean trading for 1st round picks? When was the last time they traded one away? They chose 2 first and second rounders last year. 1 first and 2 second's the year before... not quite sure what you mean.
- neem55

They traded a late 1st in the deal for Anderson, not sure if thats what he is referring to?

I know we are going to switch gears and talk about why Toronto is anoying and which Leaf to thump.

But just going with Carol's blog. I wonder when play and results fall on the coach and not the players?

A player who misses a scoring chance or check is execution. Canucks are not the most elite assembly of players by any reasonable measure. However, doesn't line deployment and being ready as a team to play at least fall on the coach? Did WD rate high there? Was that not a glaring issue?

Not sure I understand the concern over Miller starting?

Miller: 13 starts, .907 save % (.901 5on5 save %; .944 powerplay save %) 2.80 GAA
Markstrom: 11 starts, .902 save % (.912 5on5 Save %; .825 powerplay Save %) 2.73 GAA

We knew they would be close to 50/50 split in starts, and their stats arent too different
- WhiteLie

I agree on the season-long comparison this far and I have been pointing out to people. Markstrom has not clearly been the better GT. They both have had good and poor showing and the stats ^^^^ show.

For me, after Miller has had two starts in a row and a poor showing last night, it's a easy choice to throw in Markstrom.

Anderson

- boonerbuck

Which was a good trade. They traded one of their 3 first rounders and one of their two second's this year for a young goalie who has been starting and looking good for a while. I still think that was a good trade, 26 is young for a goalie and a .912 save % on a poor defensive team is pretty good. i'd take Andersen over either of our goalies.

I agree on the season-long comparison this far and I have been pointing out to people. Markstrom has not clearly been the better GT. They both have had good and poor showing and the stats ^^^^ show.

For me, after Miller has had two starts in a row and a poor showing last night, it's a easy choice to throw in Markstrom.
- boonerbuck

I agree with that, 14-11 is a bigger disparity in starts than I would like to see between them, and Mark's last start was a good one too. Either way though, not the end of the world to have either goalie play, the team in front is the issue

Which was a good trade. They traded one of their 3 first rounders and one of their two second's this year for a young goalie who has been starting and looking good for a while. I still think that was a good trade, 26 is young for a goalie and a .912 save % on a poor defensive team is pretty good.
- neem55

Sure, but a couple of minutes ago you were unaware that they are still trading 1st rounders.

The media keeps writing about the Leafs model and I'm looking at the Leafs activities rather than the authors opinion. Time will tell if they are going to follow this plan everyone keeps giving them credit for. It's only been a couple of years and they seem pretty active in trying to acquire high end assets in their prime for a rebuilding team. If we do that, it's "doing it wrong".

Sure, but a couple of minutes ago you were unaware that they are still trading 1st rounders.

The media keeps writing about the Leafs model and I'm looking at the Leafs activities rather than the authors opinion. Time will tell if they are going to follow this plan everyone keeps giving them credit for. It's only been a couple of years and they seem pretty active in trying to acquire high end assets in their prime for a rebuilding team. If we do that, it's "doing it wrong".

- boonerbuck

I think we discussed this a while back, they are acquiring pieces to speed up their rebuild (Anderson), pushed for signing Stamkos, and probably will go for Tavares if he goes to July 1. The Leafs dumped some big (and bad) contracts for mediocre assets, picked up a few good prospects along the way and then were selected as the way to rebuild. They can easily revert to their old ways by signing Stamkos or Tavares and turning the team into win-now mode

I think we discussed this a while back, they are acquiring pieces to speed up their rebuild (Anderson), pushed for signing Stamkos, and probably will go for Tavares if he goes to July 1. The Leafs dumped some big (and bad) contracts for mediocre assets, picked up a few good prospects along the way and then were selected as the way to rebuild. They can easily revert to their old ways by signing Stamkos or Tavares and turning the team into win-now mode
- WhiteLie

I'm just speculating but I bet they are willing to part with a young player like Nylander and a high 1st for JT this summer. Not sure the Islanders would...

Sure, but a couple of minutes ago you were unaware that they are still trading 1st rounders.

The media keeps writing about the Leafs model and I'm looking at the Leafs activities rather than the authors opinion. Time will tell if they are going to follow this plan everyone keeps giving them credit for. It's only been a couple of years and they seem pretty active in trying to acquire high end assets in their prime for a rebuilding team. If we do that, it's "doing it wrong".

- boonerbuck

The leafs loaded up a on picks and prospects (including high-end talent), so when you trade a couple pieces away for an nhl goalie, it doesn’t hurt you.

Benning trades from a sparse collection of picks/prospects to acquire nhl ready players. aka, the nonis way.