So guys like Ghost are elite too? Kilingberg?

Are we just basing this on points?
- sbroads24

If Gostisbehere can repeat, absolutely, he should've been a Hart candidate for the way the team turned around when he was called up. Klingberg yeah, he's elite too. But I guess it comes down to your definition of "elite". I would say maybe, generally, speaking top 20 forwards, top 20 or maybe a few less D, top 12ish Goalies. It's more of a feel thing.

And no, not just points, but usage too.

Wouldn't that by extension make Lindholm/Doughty passengers? There aren't too many cases where a bottom feeder possession team is boasting an elite possession player. And I emphasize elite possession player, not elite player in general.
- Sabresfan-365

Sure, but they also suppress shots and scoring chances better. They also have better D men on their team which explains why there relative numbers are worse.

If Gostisbehere can repeat, absolutely, he should've been a Hart candidate for the way the team turned around when he was called up. Klingberg yeah, he's elite too. But I guess it comes down to your definition of "elite". I would say maybe, generally, speaking top 20 forwards, top 20 or maybe a few less D, top 12ish Goalies. It's more of a feel thing.

And no, not just points, but usage too.
- Wetbandit1

I don't know. Elite is a bold word. Kind of like "generational"

I would say top 5 at those positions. Nothing wrong with being really good.

Sure, but they also suppress shots and scoring chances better. They also have better D men on their team which explains why there relative numbers are worse.
- sbroads24

They tend to roll better 5 man units as a whole. No d-man is every really stuck out there with a line that would be considered a drag on possession. Shot suppression tends to be a team effort cuz theres really no way 1 d-man is stopping 5 competent hockey players from getting a shot (high or low quality) to the net. There are obviously outliers which would point towards the best of the best.

I don't know. Elite is a bold word. Kind of like "generational"

I would say top 5 at those positions. Nothing wrong with being really good.
- rmiethaner

Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Subban
Karlsson
Burns
Hedman
Letang
McDonagh
Keith
Giordano
Stralman
Ekblad
Peitrangelo
Shattenkirk
Vlasic
Muzzin
Josi
Suter
Weber
Lindholm

Honest question. How many of these 20 is he better than?

They tend to roll better 5 man units as a whole. No d-man is every really stuck out there with a line that would be considered a drag on possession. Shot suppression tends to be a team effort cuz theres really no way 1 d-man is stopping 5 competent hockey players from getting a shot (high or low quality) to the net. There are obviously outliers which would point towards the best of the best.
- Sabresfan-365

I'm honestly asking, what category besides time on ice is Risto considered elite? He doesn't drive scoring or possession. That I know. I can't find any other legit #1's that are mediocre to bad in both.

Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Subban
Karlsson
Burns
Hedman
Letang
McDonagh
Keith
Giordano
Stralman
Ekblad
Peitrangelo
Shattenkirk
Vlasic
Muzzin
Josi
Suter
Weber
Lindholm

Honest question. How many of these 20 is he better than?
- sbroads24

By their ages...he's better than 12-14 of them.

Edit: To me Muzzin and Stralman don't even belong on this list though.

Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Subban
Karlsson
Burns
Hedman
Letang
McDonagh
Keith
Giordano
Stralman
Ekblad
Peitrangelo
Shattenkirk
Vlasic
Muzzin
Josi
Suter
Weber
Lindholm

Honest question. How many of these 20 is he better than?
- sbroads24

According to the stats atleast.....and you forgot Byfuglien..

Klingberg seems to be in Lindy's dog house.

According to the stats atleast.....and you forgot Byfuglien..
- feetontheair22

His stats are better than Shea Weber's and Erik Karlsson's?

By their ages...he's better than 12-14 of them.

Edit: To me Muzzin and Stralman don't even belong on this list though.
- RhinoFan

List them

Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Subban
Karlsson
Burns
Hedman
Letang
McDonagh
Keith
Giordano
Stralman
Ekblad
Peitrangelo
Shattenkirk
Vlasic
Muzzin
Josi
Suter
Weber
Lindholm

Honest question. How many of these 20 is he better than?
- sbroads24

He is 21 years old, tough to compare to top seasonal vets..he is in Ekblad range.

His stats are better than Shea Weber's and Erik Karlsson's?
- sbroads24

Canadiens and Senators are what 2nd and 3rd place teams in the East? Could he possibly have numbers that would rival those?

By their ages...he's better than 12-14 of them.

Edit: To me Muzzin and Stralman don't even belong on this list though.
- RhinoFan

Muzzin had almost identical basic stats to Risto. 8 goals and 40 points. And didn't get the same PP time

His stats are better than Shea Weber's and Erik Karlsson's?
- sbroads24

Those two....suter and byfuglien are the only 4 with better stats than Risto compared to TOI/Game


and Risto plays for the Buffalo Sabres...

Those two....suter and byfuglien are the only 4 with better stats than Risto compared to TOI/Game


and Risto plays for the Buffalo Sabres...
- feetontheair22

Duncan Keith has 17 assists.

Those two....suter and byfuglien are the only 4 with better stats than Risto compared to TOI/Game


and Risto plays for the Buffalo Sabres...
- feetontheair22

Alex Pietrangelo has the same 12 points, but with 5 goals.

Duncan Keith has 17 assists.
- sbroads24

and a lower average TOI......but ur arguing Risto vs. Keith....seems like elite talent to me

EDIT: same with Piertrangelo........ur making my point for me

Those two....suter and byfuglien are the only 4 with better stats than Risto compared to TOI/Game


and Risto plays for the Buffalo Sabres...
- feetontheair22

- rmiethaner

I'm honestly asking, what category besides time on ice is Risto considered elite? He doesn't drive scoring or possession. That I know. I can't find any other legit #1's that are mediocre to bad in both.
- sbroads24

Sean Tierney had a couple charts up on xgf and scoring chances where risto was up there.

Ekman-Larsson
Doughty
Subban
Karlsson
Burns
Hedman
Letang
McDonagh
Keith
Giordano
Stralman
Ekblad
Peitrangelo
Shattenkirk
Vlasic
Muzzin
Josi
Suter
Weber
Lindholm

Honest question. How many of these 20 is he better than?
- sbroads24

He's a right handed mcdonagh

- feetontheair22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPBsUo4A8fg

Sean Tierney had a couple charts up on xgf and scoring chances where risto was up there.
- Sabresfan-365

I think he's very good offensively, and again, in general pretty good.

But he hasn't come close to taking that "big step" we were all talking about before the year started. He's exactly the same as last year. Good on O, average on D and in transition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPBsUo4A8fg
- rmiethaner

rmiethaner you are OK in my book.....damn i love me some pixies