You need to read the casebook and memos. That's where the nitty gritty and situations are discussed.
- Stripes77

That's fair, but you posted the rule twice without the advantage phrase, without a source, I've posted the rule, with it, with my source(the NHL's version of the rule book from NHL.com). So why would yours be different? That's all I'm asking.

That's fair, but you posted the rule twice without the advantage phrase, without a source, I've posted the rule, with it, with my source(the NHL's version of the rule book from NHL.com). So why would yours be different? That's all I'm asking.
- Wetbandit1

Rule books are just for people trying to sound smart

Why are we limiting it to his age group? Also his minutes mean absolutely nothing. Dion Phanuef was a 25+ minute a night guy with Toronto, was he elite?

Parayko
Lindholm
Ekblad
Werenski
Provorov
Jones
Trouba
Reilly
Ristolainen

All good young D men. Only reason Risto might be considered better is because he's constantly on the ice because our D core is so bad otherwise
- sbroads24

A number of reasons. Experience chief among them. The more you do something the better you get. Hopefully.

Edit: It's not the raw numbers that matter, but the situations those minutes come in. I'm not talking about offensive or defensive zone draws or QoC either, I'm talking about is he logging minutes when the team is down, or ahead, PK, PP? In the last 5 minutes of the game. All those things tell you more than just the number of minutes he plays.

Why are we limiting it to his age group? Also his minutes mean absolutely nothing. Dion Phanuef was a 25+ minute a night guy with Toronto, was he elite?

Parayko
Lindholm
Ekblad
Werenski
Provorov
Jones
Trouba
Reilly
Ristolainen

All good young D men. Only reason Risto might be considered better is because he's constantly on the I've because our D core is so bad otherwise
- sbroads24

His other advanced stats have shown well or at least better that his possession numbers. Not all corsi against is equal.

Rule books are just for people trying to sound smart
- sbroads24

Have you ever officiated a professional hockey game? No? Didn't think so

Have you ever officiated a professional hockey game? No? Didn't think so
- Stripes77

Did you ask a question, and answer it in the same post?

Rule books are just for people trying to sound smart
- sbroads24

Honestly, you need to stop the condescending attitude on this site. It's nauseating, it just gets so old.

Did you ask a question, and answer it in the same post?
- sbroads24

As a matter of fact I did because I already know the answer.

His other advanced stats have shown well or at least better that his possession numbers. Not all corsi against is equal.
- Sabresfan-365

Sure, and we aren't the 2014-15 Sabres anymore. He shouldn't be bottom 2 in possession, like he is on this team. Elite D men are never that low. Never

Honestly, you need to stop the condescending attitude on this site. It's nauseating, it just gets so old.
- Irish 14

Others have the same attitude as well. They just don't know it.

His other advanced stats have shown well or at least better that his possession numbers. Not all corsi against is equal.
- Sabresfan-365

Cherry picking stats to make a point is a thing on here you know that.

Did you ask a question, and answer it in the same post?
- sbroads24

Nice
- Irish 14

lol

Cherry picking stats to make a point is a thing on here you know that.
- Stripes77

Again, no one is saying he's bad. You're like making this argument up in your head. Besides Time on ice, how is Ristolainen "elite"? I'm open to hearing otherwise.

Have you ever officiated a professional hockey game? No? Didn't think so
- Stripes77

For the record, I'm not calling you a liar, I'm genuinely wondering why your rule book is different to the one on the NHL's website, especially since the only change was to the wording of the puck over glass penalty and everything else was left as is.

Again, no one is saying he's bad. You're like making this argument up in your head. Besides Time on ice, how is Ristolainen "elite"? I'm open to hearing otherwise.
- sbroads24

41 points as a 21 year old.

Edit: On a pretty low scoring team too.

Ok...

Top 5 TOI/Game in the NHL right now:

Byfuglien - 26gp; 2g; 12a = 14 points
Suter - 23gp; 4g; 12a = 16 points
Karlsson - 24gp; 4g; 15a = 19 points
Doughty - 24gp; 3g; 8a = 11 points
Risto - 24gp; 0g; 12a = 12 points

That Doughty guy must suck.....
- feetontheair22

bump

Again, no one is saying he's bad. You're like making this argument up in your head. Besides Time on ice, how is Ristolainen "elite"? I'm open to hearing otherwise.
- sbroads24

Be open the next few years.......

41 points as a 21 year old.

Edit: On a pretty low scoring team too.
- Wetbandit1

So guys like Ghost are elite too? Kilingberg?

Are we just basing this on points?

Sure, and we aren't the 2014-15 Sabres anymore. He shouldn't be bottom 2 in possession, like he is on this team. Elite D men are never that low. Never
- sbroads24

He was 55.77 today. His numbers tend to go the way of the team which is not uncommon.

If the majority of the team was above the 50% mark and he was at 45 id be really worried. The elite possession players tend to be guys who generate a ton of offensive chances (although as kane has shown us that can be misleading) or are very fast and good with their sticks (tanev).

Risto more often than not will use his body to position himself in a way to keep guys to the outside simply cuz he doesnt have the stick work or the speed to do otherwise, which is fine. it just means they should probably go and find someone who can. Which is why the Kulikov trade is a weird one.

He was 55.77 today. His numbers tend to go the way of the team which is not uncommon.

If the majority of the team was above the 50% mark and he was at 45 id be really worried. The elite possession players tend to be guys who generate a ton of offensive chances (although as kane has shown us that can be misleading) or are very fast and good with their sticks (tanev).

Risto more often than not will use his body to position himself in a way to keep guys to the outside simply cuz he doesnt have the stick work or the speed to do otherwise, which is fine. it just means they should probably go and find someone who can. Which is why the Kulikov trade is a weird one.
- Sabresfan-365

For a passenger, sure.

He was 55.77 today. His numbers tend to go the way of the team which is not uncommon.

If the majority of the team was above the 50% mark and he was at 45 id be really worried. The elite possession players tend to be guys who generate a ton of offensive chances (although as kane has shown us that can be misleading) or are very fast and good with their sticks (tanev).

Risto more often than not will use his body to position himself in a way to keep guys to the outside simply cuz he doesnt have the stick work or the speed to do otherwise, which is fine. it just means they should probably go and find someone who can. Which is why the Kulikov trade is a weird one.
- Sabresfan-365

Kulikov in a Sabres sweater >>>>>> Pysyk in a Panther sweater

For a passenger, sure.
- sbroads24

Wouldn't that by extension make Lindholm/Doughty passengers? There aren't too many cases where a bottom feeder possession team is boasting an elite possession player. And I emphasize elite possession player, not elite player in general.

Kulikov in a Sabres sweater >>>>>> Pysyk in a Panther sweater
- rmiethaner

Right but over 82 games how many additional wins does that really give you? I honestly don't mind the trade it just seemed kind of pointless.

Edit: I get we got a higher pick just feel like they should have aimed a little higher.

Right but over 82 games how many additional wins does that really give you? I honestly don't mind the trade it just seemed kind of pointless.

Edit: I get we got a higher pick just feel like they should have aimed a little higher.
- Sabresfan-365

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