But it's important to note the difference... I'd assume the percentage of Christians who are anti gay do not believe that it should be punishable by death... (frank), I hope not anyway. And then there's the women... My god, they have next to no rights... It's horrible. Working for the organization I work for really opened my eyes. - laughs2907
I was just down in Kentucky and the amount of people who use christianity to justify ignorance/stupidity/hatred was shocking.
Big difference between Westboro Baptist church and the thousands of terrorist groups.
Here's what a lot of people don't know. There are radical Muslims, they make up a very small percent of the muslism population. Then there are "Quran Thumpers". People who take the Quran seriously but don't condemn what the terrorists are doing.
Then you have what most consider the "nominal" Muslims. These are people who think homosexuality is bad an punishable by death and women abuse is just a normal day in the life. - TheGiftofGod
So exactly what I said about the society simply being a few decades (or more depending upon where they are) behind socially and human rights-wise? Would those Muslims believe that if they had been raised in a country like Canada or America where human rights and equality are highly valued and where social policy has evolved beyond the Church running government? If the Westboro Baptist Church operated in a country like, I don't know, Saudi Arabia, do you believe they wouldn't be FAR more aggressive in their "tactics"?
As far as the Quran, there is a large number of editions of the Quran (much like the Bible) that emphasize very different values. Have you read a version of the Quran? In fact, have you read a version of the Bible? There are countless horrible things in the Bible as well, it's just that Western society has developed to a point where those things aren't socially or legally acceptable.
Edit: poop I forgot to respond to the second paragraph. I think that religion does have a purpose. Perhaps not believing in God, but at least the values that come along with religion. I.e Waiting until marriage to lose your virginity.
As for religion teaching the same things, no.
For example, most Western Religions focus on what happens after you die. That includes how to get into Heaven/Paradise.
On the other hand, Eastern Religions focus more on how to be the best person you can possibly be while you're on earth. Buddhism. - TheGiftofGod
And that's why I don't actively campaign against all religion. At their roots, they all exist to help people who grapple with the duality of existence (that of good or bad) and show a path of "greater good". How this greater good is achieved is often bastardized by those in power to align people with their agendas.
That having been said, I think it's mostly a failure of education and parenting that leads to people needing the crutch of structure to "teach" them to be a good person. Religion exists to prey on those who aren't strong of will or values enough to stick to the path of righteousness of their own accord. In my opinion, that is.
I disagree. Both Western and Eastern religions emphasize the idea of being a generally good person- whether for the reward of the afterlife or simply for the well-being of your living soul.
I was just down in Kentucky and the amount of people who use christianity to justify ignorance/stupidity/hatred was shocking.
- DuranDuran
Not denying that people use religion as an excuse to be (frank)ing idiots... I'm saying there's a difference in the percentage of idiots, and I'm saying you have to consider that those Christians who are anti-gay, likely do not believe that it is punishable by death... There's a huge difference.
As do I. Look as long as you're not forcing it on people, I have no issue. Do I think it can be a disease, possibly, I personally believe it relates all back to mental illness. And again, people that go out of their way to "trigger" these said people are just as bad as social justice warriors. (Alt-Right)
I do agree racism still exists and it also goes both ways. As for drugs it obviously depends on which drug. Like if you're a weed dealer, you should be punished, but it isn't the end of the world. And I totally agree with you on this. But when it comes to police shootings I don't believe race plays a part of it.
Also here's another tidbit for you, blacks make up about 13% of Americas population, yet commit 50% of violent crimes.
And for sure I will check out that book. If I may suggest two authors, look up Ben Shapiro for conservatism and Sam Harris for Religion.
Those (frank)ing Irish bastards. Again, as long as you can transition into Canadian society and respect rules, there is absolutely nothing wrong with more people coming.
Do you at least agree with me when they should be vetting better? - TheGiftofGod
Your whole paragrapgh on trans gender being mental illness, is stupid and retarded and youre an idiot. You are also completely ignorant as to why crime statistics are what they are, and are embarrassingly unaware of the real life struggles to simply survive as a black person in America. You are also a complete idiot if you dont beleive the cops treat or approach Blck suspects differently that white people. I actually think you make us all a little dumber with your writings and opinions.
Your whole paragrapgh on trans gender being mental illness, is stupid and retarded and youre an idiot. You are also completely ignorant as to why crime statistics are what they are, and are embarrassingly unaware of the real life struggles to simply survive as a black person in America. You are also a complete idiot if you dont beleive the cops treat or approach Blck suspects differently that white people. I actually think you make us all a little dumber with your writings and opinions. - Larsson_fan
I get that you don't agree with him and the history between the two of you, but the discourse was going fine without the name-calling. That having been said, I know this won't change anything so why do I bother? Carry on.
Not denying that people use religion as an excuse to be (frank)ing idiots... I'm saying there's a difference in the percentage of idiots, and I'm saying you have to consider that those Christians who are anti-gay, likely do not believe that it is punishable by death... There's a huge difference. - laughs2907
Only in the WEst, where they havent been able to act legally upon their impulses.
I get that you don't agree with him and the history between the two of you, but the discourse was going fine without the name-calling. That having been said, I know this won't change anything so why do I bother? Carry on. - MaximumBone
Not denying that people use religion as an excuse to be (frank)ing idiots... I'm saying there's a difference in the percentage of idiots, and I'm saying you have to consider that those Christians who are anti-gay, likely do not believe that it is punishable by death... There's a huge difference. - laughs2907
Explain why christians in africa condemn gays to death wherever possible.
So exactly what I said about the society simply being a few decades (or more depending upon where they are) behind socially and human rights-wise? Would those Muslims believe that if they had been raised in a country like Canada or America where human rights and equality are highly valued and where social policy has evolved beyond the Church running government? If the Westboro Baptist Church operated in a country like, I don't know, Saudi Arabia, do you believe they wouldn't be FAR more aggressive in their "tactics"?
As far as the Quran, there is a large number of editions of the Quran (much like the Bible) that emphasize very different values. Have you read a version of the Quran? In fact, have you read a version of the Bible? There are countless horrible things in the Bible as well, it's just that Western society has developed to a point where those things aren't socially or legally acceptable.
And that's why I don't actively campaign against all religion. At their roots, they all exist to help people who grapple with the duality of existence (that of good or bad) and show a path of "greater good". How this greater good is achieved is often bastardized by those in power to align people with their agendas.
That having been said, I think it's mostly a failure of education and parenting that leads to people needing the crutch of structure to "teach" them to be a good person. Religion exists to prey on those who aren't strong of will or values enough to stick to the path of righteousness of their own accord. In my opinion, that is.
I disagree. Both Western and Eastern religions emphasize the idea of being a generally good person- whether for the reward of the afterlife or simply for the well-being of your living soul. - MaximumBone
"Would those Muslims believe that if they had been raised in a country like Canada or America where human rights and equality are highly valued and where social policy has evolved beyond the Church running government?"
Not quite sure what you're asking here.
Yes I own the Quran (for arguments) and went to a catholic school. We're basically agreeing here. You can also said Christianity has reformed.
Totally agree with this paragraph and how it's religion is basically a way to accept death. Although my old feminist, Trump supporting (I know lmao) teacher believe religion was created to control women.
Fair opinion. My opinion is just not to be a Richard, which I believe we share.
I mean you put it like that yeah
So all in all I basically do agree with everything you've just said.
I get that you don't agree with him and the history between the two of you, but the discourse was going fine without the name-calling. That having been said, I know this won't change anything so why do I bother? Carry on. - MaximumBone
Explain why christians in africa condemn gays to death wherever possible. - Larsson_fan
Completely different culture. You can't compare the two... Does the Christian religion say being homosexual is punishable by death? I know it says it's a sin, but punishable by death? If it does, at least the majority of the Western civilization is mature enough to not follow it
"Would those Muslims believe that if they had been raised in a country like Canada or America where human rights and equality are highly valued and where social policy has evolved beyond the Church running government?"
Not quite sure what you're asking here.
Yes I own the Quran (for arguments) and went to a catholic school. We're basically agreeing here. You can also said Christianity has reformed.
Totally agree with this paragraph and how it's religion is basically a way to accept death. Although my old feminist, Trump supporting (I know lmao) teacher believe religion was created to control women.
Fair opinion. My opinion is just not to be a Richard, which I believe we share.
I mean you put it like that yeah
So all in all I basically do agree with everything you've just said. - TheGiftofGod
Man, reread the part in the beginning that went over your head. It was well written and key to understanding.
The difference isnt muslim/Christian, its religious zealot in a ( for lack of a better term) less socially developed part of the world /religious zealot in a socially developed part of the world.
Man, reread the part in the beginning that went over your head. It was well written and key to understanding.
The difference isnt muslim/Christian, its religious zealot in a ( for lack of a better term) less socially developed part of the world /religious zealot in a socially developed part of the world. - Larsson_fan
"Would those Muslims believe that if they had been raised in a country like Canada or America where human rights and equality are highly valued and where social policy has evolved beyond the Church running government?"
Not quite sure what you're asking here.
Yes I own the Quran (for arguments) and went to a catholic school. We're basically agreeing here. You can also said Christianity has reformed. - TheGiftofGod
What I'm asking is how do Muslims born and raised in America largely avoid acting on these extremist views if it's simply ingrained in their religion(s)? It's due to the culture and society they're raised in. In the Western world, there are external pressures and a more diverse spectrum of ideas being taught to them and stricter laws and rules steering them away from the thought of acting on these things. The potency of societal pressures shouldn't be underestimated.
But it's less that Christianity has reformed and more that the societies in which it was born has evolved and further developed laws around human rights. As Jero says, you only need to look as far as Africa in the modern world to see how Christianity still causes horrible things. For further examples, look back at how Christian missions treated Natives in both Canada and America during colonization you see yet another example. Or how Church-influenced England pretty much tried to eradicate another religion and people in Scandinavia through means of force.
Your whole paragrapgh on trans gender being mental illness, is stupid and retarded and youre an idiot. You are also completely ignorant as to why crime statistics are what they are, and are embarrassingly unaware of the real life struggles to simply survive as a black person in America. You are also a complete idiot if you dont beleive the cops treat or approach Blck suspects differently that white people. I actually think you make us all a little dumber with your writings and opinions. - Larsson_fan
"Unchallenged opinions"
I know like five transgender people and they all have depression and anxiety etc. Not to mention there are transgenders who go back to their previous gender. (i.e Bruce Jenner). Look up autogynephilia. It needs more research.
Man, reread the part in the beginning that went over your head. It was well written and key to understanding.
The difference isnt muslim/Christian, its religious zealot in a ( for lack of a better term) less socially developed part of the world /religious zealot in a socially developed part of the world. - Larsson_fan
Completely different culture. You can't compare the two... Does the Christian religion say being homosexual is punishable by death? I know it says it's a sin, but punishable by death? If it does, at least the majority of the Western civilization is mature enough to not follow it - laughs2907
Depends on the denomination of Christianity. Theres thousands of them. Basically catholics with a tweak here and a tweak there to fit their Lords narrative.
And that is exactly the point. Christians that operate in a more civilized society still adapt and change and reinterperate the messages as so it fits i to the cultural and societal themes of the times. Being gay was punishable by death . Committing Buggery was punishable by death. This was Gods will at one point.
Depends on the denomination of Christianity. Theres thousands of them. Basically catholics with a tweak here and a tweak there to fit their Lords narrative.
And that is exactly the point. Christians that operate in a more civilized society still adapt and change and reinterperate the messages as so it fits i to the cultural and societal themes of the times. Being gay was punishable by death . Committing Buggery was punishable by death. This was Gods will at one point. - Larsson_fan
I know like five transgender people and they all have depression and anxiety etc. Not to mention there are transgenders who go back to their previous gender. (i.e Bruce Jenner). Look up autogynephilia. It needs more research.
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