Red sox won the division today
- Sabresfan-365

So the Cubs win and the White Sox have to do something so shocking to make the news?

finally did my dead pool list


King Michael I of Romania
Billy Graham
Zsa Zsa Gabor
George H W Bush
Olivia De Havilland
Jerry Lewis (telethon guy, not great balls of fire)
Gord Downie
John Wetton (singer from band asia)
- homiedclown

Nice choices . Seems everyone has some promising picks.

In the pre-game presser yesterday, Bylsma said he should be back Friday.
- HonkFortheGoose

Thanks Goosie

Its not just the points accumulated their play in general isnt all that great at both ends.
- Sabresfan-365

I'm not trying to say Kulikov is great, but I'm not about to say he's bad (or even mediocre) yet.

12 games is a pretty small sample size, and when you factor in that he'd been trying to play through the injury he sustained in preseason before they finally shut him down for awhile, that makes it even harder to determine, IMO.

So the Cubs win and the White Sox have to do something so shocking to make the news?
- Stripes77

Sadly, yes

I'm not trying to say Kulikov is great, but I'm not about to say he's bad (or even mediocre) yet.

12 games is a pretty small sample size, and when you factor in that he'd been trying to play through the injury he sustained in preseason before they finally shut him down for awhile, that makes it even harder to determine, IMO.
- HonkFortheGoose

Im mostly basing it off what ive seen/read from before he got here because as you said its only 12 games. Hes your standard underwhelming 2nd pair guy. As long as hes not overpaid hes worth hanging on to, it just doesnt solve the real issue on D.

Sadly, yes
- Sabresfan-365

It's all because he cut up a throwback jersey...

Im mostly basing it off what ive seen/read from before he got here because as you said its only 12 games. Hes your standard underwhelming 2nd pair guy. As long as hes not overpaid hes worth hanging on to, it just doesnt solve the real issue on D.
- Sabresfan-365

I REALLY disliked that trade. Mostly because I thought Pysyk was going to be a solid guy for years, but I'm sure you knew I felt that way. I didn't like what I had heard/read about Kulikov either, but I'm willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong as well.

And honestly, other than a few times in the 12 games, I didn't really have an issue with how he played. So if he can come back from the injury and continue to play like that, it works for me. I don't need (nor expect) every guy on our D to be like Doughty or Keith, and based on how some people react to things around here, that's how they seem to think every defenseman on a team needs to be in order to be successful.

I'm not trying to say Kulikov is great, but I'm not about to say he's bad (or even mediocre) yet.

12 games is a pretty small sample size, and when you factor in that he'd been trying to play through the injury he sustained in preseason before they finally shut him down for awhile, that makes it even harder to determine, IMO.
- HonkFortheGoose

He's played hundreds before he got here though.

He's not a bad player IMO, but I think mediocre is probably where he sits as far as a top 4 d man.

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin  · 13m13 minutes ago

Damien Cox Retweeted Aslam Saleh

Goalies don't steal games. They're part of the team. Having superior goaltending relates to having a superior team.


Hmmm...weren't we having this debate?

Red sox won the division today
- Sabresfan-365

not if jays sign EE


I was expecting to see him be the reason you said they won the division


it's clear which 2 teams have the best pitching in the AL now, that's for sure

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin  · 13m13 minutes ago

Damien Cox Retweeted Aslam Saleh

Goalies don't steal games. They're part of the team. Having superior goaltending relates to having a superior team.


Hmmm...weren't we having this debate?
- Stripes77

yup. see the kings D and jonathan "how did he get so overrated" quick

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin  · 13m13 minutes ago

Damien Cox Retweeted Aslam Saleh

Goalies don't steal games. They're part of the team. Having superior goaltending relates to having a superior team.


Hmmm...weren't we having this debate?
- Stripes77

giggle giggle

yup. see the kings D and jonathan "how did he get so overrated" quick
- Sabresfan-365

No superstars...

Sorry but I had to bring that back up

Red sox won the division today
- Sabresfan-365

Jayson Stark ESPN Senior Writer

The best indication that Edwin Encarnacion isn't getting the offers he's looking for: Agent Paul Kinzer telling teams there's no hurry to get him signed. Indians, Rockies interested. But Red Sox appear "very unlikely."


5h

I REALLY disliked that trade. Mostly because I thought Pysyk was going to be a solid guy for years, but I'm sure you knew I felt that way. I didn't like what I had heard/read about Kulikov either, but I'm willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong as well.

And honestly, other than a few times in the 12 games, I didn't really have an issue with how he played. So if he can come back from the injury and continue to play like that, it works for me. I don't need (nor expect) every guy on our D to be like Doughty or Keith, and based on how some people react to things around here, that's how they seem to think every defenseman on a team needs to be in order to be successful.
- HonkFortheGoose

It may seem that way since every third post of mine is some version of disgust with the d-core


You need a very good top 4 and i have no confidence in a Risto-McCabe-Kulikov-Bogosian top 4. Thats what i disliked about the Kulikov trade. Its not him, its just that adding him is basically more of the same. They still need a 2nd guy who can really make things happen.

Jayson Stark ESPN Senior Writer

The best indication that Edwin Encarnacion isn't getting the offers he's looking for: Agent Paul Kinzer telling teams there's no hurry to get him signed. Indians, Rockies interested. But Red Sox appear "very unlikely."


5h
- homiedclown

(frank) him

80 mil over 4 years and he thought the jays would just sit and wait for his ass.

No superstars...

Sorry but I had to bring that back up
- Stripes77

literally nearly a ppg during the playoffs...but compare him to ehrhoff

It may seem that way since every third post of mine is some version of disgust with the d-core


You need a very good top 4 and i have no confidence in a Risto-McCabe-Kulikov-Bogosian top 4. Thats what i disliked about the Kulikov trade. Its not him, its just that adding him is basically more of the same. They still need a 2nd guy who can really make things happen.
- Sabresfan-365

They need a top 2 defensemen.

If McCabe and Kulikov could work together that would be a good 2nd pairing.

I am done with Bogo, he is always hurt.

They need a top 2 defensemen.

If McCabe and Kulikov could work together that would be a good 2nd pairing.

I am done with Bogo, he is always hurt.
- Stripes77

yep. im leaning more towards the idea of having it spread out too

Pair Risto with mccabe and pair the other guy with kulikov. Either way they need a top 2 guy.

literally nearly a ppg during the playoffs...but compare him to ehrhoff
- Sabresfan-365

Dustin Brown was a ppg player in those playoffs

Carter and Richards were at .85 ppg as well in those playoffs

That team was stacked

yep. im leaning more towards the idea of having it spread out too

Pair Risto with mccabe and pair the other guy with kulikov. Either way they need a top 2 guy.
- Sabresfan-365

Either or works for me.

We all know Risto can eat a ton of minutes without being a liability, he does have a few things to work on but he's only 22...

He's played hundreds before he got here though.

He's not a bad player IMO, but I think mediocre is probably where he sits as far as a top 4 d man.
- sbroads24

I'll still wait to pass judgement until he gets a fair amount of games under his belt here.

And like I said a few mins ago, it's unrealistic to think that our entire corps of Dmen are going to be like Doughty or Keith, which seems to be the expectation of many around here.

Either or works for me.

We all know Risto can eat a ton of minutes without being a liability, he does have a few things to work on but he's only 22...
- Stripes77

He was very effective playing 30 minutes last night just from being away from Gorges. Now imagine if he could be away from gorges and not have to play that many minutes. My god we'd almost look like a competent team

I'll still wait to pass judgement until he gets a fair amount of games under his belt here.

And like I said a few mins ago, it's unrealistic to think that our entire corps of Dmen are going to be like Doughty or Keith, which seems to be the expectation of many around here.
- HonkFortheGoose

I think with mccabe stepping up, there is a decent foundation with risto, mccabe and guhle moving forward

IMO gorges is fine on the bottom pair
kulikov may be fine is a second pair
bogo is bogo

as long as our second pair isn't bogo kulikov, only need 1, I think we will be fine in 2017