My wife has the same issue.
- golfingsince

Here, tape this picture to your wife's head...



I'll guarantee you won't come for a week.

Remember Chretien's first term?

It was the hardest time i've experienced as a Canadian. However near the end things got better, followed by the best 10 years i've seen. I don't mind 4 years of pain, as long as we see gain at the end. I think that where we are as a franchise, I'd like to build organizational depth and having 2 first round picks is better than one, unless we're talking a franchise player.
- golfingsince

If it was a guarantee that a year of tanking ensured s top 2 pick, or a can't miss pick, everyone would do it.
That's why there is a lottery.
I am fine with trying to improve every year and trusting jb to make best picks possible.

I personally think aiming for top-5 is best, in general. It sets you up to pick high in each round. Tanking isn't popular, I fully support this team proving me wrong and the current cast turning into something I didn't think was possible. On paper, this is a non-playoff team for me. Do I want them to lose every game? No. I like to see my team win. But trading away the vets for picks and prospects for the future will result in this team being even worse than they are now after the TDL, which I am fine with because its better long term. it's like the economy, do you want 3 mediocre years, or to take a loss now in order to build infrastructure for the future so that we have stability and growth for 10
- neem55

The problem with that is, you can't predict the talent that's going to be in the draft. So you could certainly dump all vets and go for that lotto pick only to find out instead of getting a McDavid, you end up with a Sam Reinhart or even a Yakupov. How does that help your franchise?

If you're going to use the economy as an example, the problem with taking the loss is that eventually, you're going to have to pay for all those years of going into debt and all that infrastructure is going to be extremely expensive to maintain. I'd take being mediocre and being able to slowly build the infrastructure up and be able to manage it properly to getting flashly new Skytrains that cost more and force us to pay more tax.

Yeah, I'm salty about Translink and their greedy money grubbing mismanagement of the Lower Mainland transit.

Here, tape this picture to your wife's head...



I'll guarantee you won't come for a week.
- bloatedmosquito

Are you sure, he is a bloody limey after all, and he did tell me to be prepared..
- Makita

Nah.......Now if you had a sheep avatar i'd be worried.

I know you guys are going to probably have something to say about this, but I would like to ask a favour.

When Nuck4U returns on Dec 07th at 12:30 pacific, could you please give him another chance, I have had a conversation with him and he has stated he will try to blend in without antagonizing others here.

Please, if there is a post that you feel is a "WTF" post could you please ignore it and not try to bait him, and he will do the same. There are times that he has some valid points and insight.

As humans we do for the most part try to be socially inclusive, but I do understand when someone gets under your skin and they have to redeem themselves.

Thanks
- Makita

As if Saturday's visit from Leafs fans wasnt bad enough, now our mods are trolling...

Here, tape this picture to your wife's head...



I'll guarantee you won't come for a week.
- bloatedmosquito

Who said I came?

I just bail on the activity.

Crosby was on his last year when the Penguins won the Cup in '09, that was when ELCs lasted 4 years instead of 3 and bridge deals weren't a thing.
- DariusKnight

Pretty thin branch to build your argument on. I think most superstars are fairly established when they win in today's NHL. There's a chance Doughty was on ELC when LA won their first. For sure getting value (toews and Kane's's second contracts were very team friendly) is important. Crosby did not come into an established team, it took 4 years to come together and 3 first overall picks (he, Malkin and Fluery).

The problem with that is, you can't predict the talent that's going to be in the draft. So you could certainly dump all vets and go for that lotto pick only to find out instead of getting a McDavid, you end up with a Sam Reinhart or even a Yakupov. How does that help your franchise?

If you're going to use the economy as an example, the problem with taking the loss is that eventually, you're going to have to pay for all those years of going into debt and all that infrastructure is going to be extremely expensive to maintain. I'd take being mediocre and being able to slowly build the infrastructure up and be able to manage it properly to getting flashly new Skytrains that cost more and force us to pay more tax.

Yeah, I'm salty about Translink and their greedy money grubbing mismanagement of the Lower Mainland transit.
- DariusKnight

Are you sure, he is a bloody limey after all, and he did tell me to be prepared..
- Makita

Nah.......Now if you had a sheep avatar i'd be worried.
- golfingsince

I'm English not Welsh you bastard

As if Saturday's visit from Leafs fans wasnt bad enough, now our mods are trolling...
- Max.Betts

Sorry the post was genuine, didn't mean or try to troll our fan base.

If it was a guarantee that a year of tanking ensured s top 2 pick, or a can't miss pick, everyone would do it.
That's why there is a lottery.
I am fine with trying to improve every year and trusting jb to make best picks possible.
- dbot

I don't mind improving every year, but we've hardly done that. What I don't want to see is trading away what little we have to move up a couple of spots. Moving vets for additional 1sts is one thing, moving them to move up from 8th to 4th most years is asinine.

Pretty thin branch to build your argument on. I think most superstars are fairly established when they win in today's NHL. There's a chance Doughty was on ELC when LA won their first. For sure getting value (toews and Kane's's second contracts were very team friendly) is important. Crosby did not come into an established team, it took 4 years to come together and 3 first overall picks (he, Malkin and Fluery).
- neem55

The point remains you want to TRY to win while they're cheap, after they get that big contract it gets harder to keep a competitive team together that has the depth to make it to the Finals and win. It's especially more true here where because of travel and how more frequent players get injured in the Western Conference that you need all the depth you can get which requires as much cap space as possible.

I'm English not Welsh you bastard
- lumlums

garage ... garej

Pretty thin branch to build your argument on. I think most superstars are fairly established when they win in today's NHL. There's a chance Doughty was on ELC when LA won their first. For sure getting value (toews and Kane's's second contracts were very team friendly) is important. Crosby did not come into an established team, it took 4 years to come together and 3 first overall picks (he, Malkin and Fluery).
- neem55

Doughty wasn't

I think Kane, toews, Malkin, perry, getzlaef, staal, and Ward all won cups on ELC

Crosby went to the finals in his ELC

The problem with that is, you can't predict the talent that's going to be in the draft. So you could certainly dump all vets and go for that lotto pick only to find out instead of getting a McDavid, you end up with a Sam Reinhart or even a Yakupov. How does that help your franchise?

If you're going to use the economy as an example, the problem with taking the loss is that eventually, you're going to have to pay for all those years of going into debt and all that infrastructure is going to be extremely expensive to maintain. I'd take being mediocre and being able to slowly build the infrastructure up and be able to manage it properly to getting flashly new Skytrains that cost more and force us to pay more tax.

Yeah, I'm salty about Translink and their greedy money grubbing mismanagement of the Lower Mainland transit.
- DariusKnight

You play the numbers and say "look how all these teams have built their Stanley cup champions, I'm seeing a pattern here wait a minute they're all built around elite talent that they drafted. Usually in the top 5" and then you do what they did.

Paying more tax is what every country with better political, educational, transportation and benefits system than us does. We've been using the US model (taxes are bad, umm k?) for a while now and it hasn't been working.

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- golfingsince

Fixed

I'll make sure I bait him right away.

Regards,

GolfingSince
- golfingsince

I don't mind improving every year, but we've hardly done that. What I don't want to see is trading away what little we have to move up a couple of spots. Moving vets for additional 1sts is one thing, moving them to move up from 8th to 4th most years is asinine.
- golfingsince

JUST IN: Hockey Canada announces Nolan Patrick has not been medically cleared to attend WJHC selection camp and will not play at the World Junior Championship.

Wanted to see what the future looked like

You play the numbers and say "look how all these teams have built their Stanley cup champions, I'm seeing a pattern here wait a minute they're all built around elite talent that they drafted. Usually in the top 5" and then you do what they did.

Paying more tax is what every country with better political, educational, transportation and benefits system than us does. We've been using the US model (taxes are bad, umm k?) for a while now and it hasn't been working.
- neem55

Switzerland has the best political/socio-economical/health care systems in the world... heck it's usually considered if not the top than 2nd or 3rd best country to live in and it's got the lowest taxrate of all the G20 countries so your argument doesn't hold that much water. And what do all those teams also have in common? They had management that capitalized on those 'elite' talent by surrounding them with depth while they were still cheap and won and then dealt with the problems after they had to pay for that elite talent. To note, only /3/ teams out of those Stanley Cup champions have won multiple Cups and only 2 are still considered contenders. That's not indicative of anything but that they had really good management, something this country has lacked for over a decade.

Doughty wasn't

I think Kane, toews, Malkin, perry, getzlaef, staal, and Ward all won cups on ELC

Crosby went to the finals in his ELC
- Redmile247

Perry and Getzlaf were rookies on the third line. Let's not confuse things here, Pronger niedemeyer, selanne won that cup. Kane and Toews may have won one of three, but two if not all of them were not on ELC. It's somewhat valid, but considering Crosby just won one last year and multple others have won without being on ELC its certainly not as important as simply having that elite player (who you probably drafted in the top-5 ) is.

You play the numbers and say "look how all these teams have built their Stanley cup champions, I'm seeing a pattern here wait a minute they're all built around elite talent that they drafted. Usually in the top 5" and then you do what they did.

Paying more tax is what every country with better political, educational, transportation and benefits system than us does. We've been using the US model (taxes are bad, umm k?) for a while now and it hasn't been working.
- neem55

Gah.
I'm sure we've debated this here before (not you personally)
There is no recipe for winning the cup.
There are all sorts of intangibles.
Picking 2 or more elite talents helps, but tanking for years does not guarantee that you'll get those talents (although increases the odds, yes).
It is not the only way to win a cup.
Getting hot at the right time, having a healthy team, facing the right competition, etc.

If it was as easy as tanking for a few years, Phx would have won the cup by now.

Perry and Getzlaf were rookies on the third line. Let's not confuse things here, Pronger niedemeyer, selanne won that cup. Kane and Toews may have won one of three, but two if not all of them were not on ELC. It's somewhat valid, but considering Crosby just won one last year and multple others have won without being on ELC its certainly not as important as simply having that elite player (who you probably drafted in the top-5 ) is.
- neem55

Problem is that if you don't draft an elite player then you have to develop one and not too many teams can do that effectively.

At 23rd overall is Kesler the most talented player that has been developed by the canucks?