I think once you have your core in place you can start to build around it ..not projected core either ...im talking your future 1C, 1RW, 1LW,1-2D all playing in those roles
- Redmile247

As I've said before there are usually only a few first line players per draft. Some drafts like 7 if deep. D take longer then forwards. Picking up a free agent or two. Signing a college free agent. A rebuild if you draft properly and don't sell everyone. Should really take a turn around after 5 years. Key if you draft properly.

...but when people were predicting how Gillis was going to land us in the dark ages for years to come, you called them Debby Whiner, taunted them on the board and in their messages, and generally shoved your head up your ass about it...this is why your routine is so amusing to me.


Now you are strutting around all smug because the Canucks sucked and you were telling us all this before any games were played.


- boonerbuck

before my time but this doesn't surprise me

As I've said before there are usually only a few first line players per draft. Some drafts like 7 if deep. D take longer then forwards. Picking up a free agent or two. Signing a college free agent. A rebuild if you draft properly and don't sell everyone. Should really take a turn around after 5 years. Key if you draft properly.
- manvanfan

Good post

This team is in transition. That is all.
- manvanfan

I've always thought post Sedins would be the true reset if the pieces they have committed to long term are not working out by then. Really, it's the proper time to do a teardown...

Eriksson's NTC opens up a bit post Sedins. They can most likely get out of that easy enough. I don't expect to see Edler around post Sedins either... players like Tanev and Guddy have trade value... this team could do the big teardown no problem after the Sedins. I never really envisioned the current coaches and GM here at that point either... I still don't see them here for 5 whole seasons... especially WD who I felt was a coach hired to be fired being a rookie and all.

before my time but this doesn't surprise me
- CanuckDon

He and I have a very rich history.

Well I knew as most we needed a full roster most nights to be .500. Rarely had that and still around .500.
- manvanfan

Most teams don't have a full roster most nights. In fact, we've been fairly fortunate on the injury front.

A lot of the ten year rebuild teams thought the same as many in here after year one or two ...they all had nice prospects that they were high on too
- Redmile247

Are you talking from experience

Look there are pieces in different layers here. Getting cohesion takes many different forms from development to coaching with a whole lot of other stuff in between. A free agent signing like a Stecher is a factor that can't be quantified or necessarily repeated. Or drafting a BB. Or trading for a Guddy. Or signing Hutton to a bridge deal. One thing here or there is not a formula that can be religiously followed. It's a process of fluidity. Taking advantage of what you can at the time to improve the team. Some things work. Others don't. There is no just getting there.

It's always a constant build. For the race of who is going high enough to enter the guantlet battle marathon run of the Stanley Cup finals.

Are you talking from experience

Look there are pieces in different layers here. Getting cohesion takes many different forms from development to coaching with a whole lot of other stuff in between. A free agent signing like a Stecher is a factor that can't be quantified or necessarily repeated. Or drafting a BB. Or trading for a Guddy. Or signing Hutton to a bridge deal. One thing here or there is not a formula that can be religiously followed. It's a process of fluidity. Taking advantage of what you can at the time to improve the team. Some things work. Others don't. There is no just getting there.

It's always a constant build. For the race of who is going high enough to enter the guantlet battle marathon run of the Stanley Cup finals.
- Nuck4U

I kinda am ...but flames aren't done ..have some pieces in place though ...I remember flames fans being high on first rounders and different young D men that are all either still in the AHL or gone ...it takes time

A lot of the ten year rebuild teams thought the same as many in here after year one or two ...they all had nice prospects that they were high on too
- Redmile247

Not only that but then you get into the whole when did the rebuild actually start conversation.

Take Edmonton for example, did it start with 3 1st round picks in 07 or with Hall or McDavid?

Realistically the Canucks most important rebuilding piece started with Horvat in 2013 but some will say it started with hiring Benning and others might say it will start when the twins retire.

This whole time line is just a way to try and convince ourselves and others that we are better at being a poopty team.

Canucks rule!

It's unfortunate that bad bounces, scheduling and poor coaching has them in a bottom 5 position.
- golfingsince

Officiating has also fcked us.

Not only that but then you get into the whole when did the rebuild actually start conversation.

Take Edmonton for example, did it start with 3 1st round picks in 07 or with Hall or McDavid?

Realistically the Canucks most important rebuilding piece started with Horvat in 2013 but some will say it started with hiring Benning and others might say it will start when the twins retire.

This whole time line is just a way to try and convince ourselves and others that we are better at being a poopty team.
- belcherbd

I agree with this ...fans always get into arguement over when rebuilds started and make fun of how long team X has been bad ...sometimes it takes more time than teams expect depending on who and when they draft and how those guys develop ...

Not sure why people are complaining, I have been part of the tanking since the start of the season. That forward group is just garbage. We need a couple more top picks to be the real deal. I wouldn't compare us to Edmonton, because of the young D we already have. We just need to draft top forwards.

Evening gents,

There's been some fun discussions with some of you recently about Matthews vs Laine - as such, it has been discovered that there definitely is something that Laine does that Matthews does not:

I've always thought post Sedins would be the true reset if the pieces they have committed to long term are not working out by then. Really, it's the proper time to do a teardown...

Eriksson's NTC opens up a bit post Sedins. They can most likely get out of that easy enough. I don't expect to see Edler around post Sedins either... players like Tanev and Guddy have trade value... this team could do the big teardown no problem after the Sedins. I never really envisioned the current coaches and GM here at that point either... I still don't see them here for 5 whole seasons... especially WD who I felt was a coach hired to be fired being a rookie and all.
- boonerbuck

I had thought that van picks up most of the pieces in the next year or two. Sedins leave that's when they hopefully gets a generational talent then climbs.

I kinda am ...but flames aren't done ..have some pieces in place though ...I remember flames fans being high on first rounders and different young D men that are all either still in the AHL or gone ...it takes time
- Redmile247

True amd why the whole draft build is speculative. Yes time is a factor. The point of the posting was really that timing is the key to it all. Team development is fluid and constant. The amassing of the right players by several means at the right time to go for it.

I had thought that van picks up most of the pieces in the next year or two. Sedins leave that's when they hopefully gets a generational talent then climbs.
- manvanfan

There is only one McJesus and that ship has sailed. But you might be right the once a decade generation talent may be due. Canucks get generational talent, Bure, once every 22 years or so. Unless we count the Sedins. Which means another 5/6 years

I'm burping horseradishn

I'm burping horseradishn
- A_SteamingLombardi

Goes great with prime ribishns

I can help you.
A few believed that if things were right Van would be a .500 team.
A few don't think WD is worth keeping. Myself included.
Van needs better wingers
Need some more high end talent
Guds is a 3-4 D at best
Hutton is a 2-4, still too young to tell.
Baertschi break out was last year.

Van is rebuilding just not tanking.
- manvanfan

I think most if not all know he isnt a good coach or nhl quality, its a few who feel that sooner than later would be best

Not only that but then you get into the whole when did the rebuild actually start conversation.

Take Edmonton for example, did it start with 3 1st round picks in 07 or with Hall or McDavid?

Realistically the Canucks most important rebuilding piece started with Horvat in 2013 but some will say it started with hiring Benning and others might say it will start when the twins retire.

This whole time line is just a way to try and convince ourselves and others that we are better at being a poopty team.
- belcherbd

You are very astute about the time question and measurement. Where is one to begin?

Looking at it in a wide angle it's a slippery creature to get a hold of in defining the factors of a building a team. Like the term itself rebuild. Sort of presuppose that there is no group of players to begin with but that's too static. The thing is not a one way linear process. There are layers to where pieces can be acquired. Draft, free agents and trades. All in conjunction.

Best source is draft but challenges with the lotto, rounds and time. Free agents, if you want young ones are usually outside of NHL.(Eg. NCAA, KHL)Trades, now have complicated values on contract and position. I'll add the freaky but not entirely impossible use of the waiver wire. (Eg. Grabner for Isles)

Then the development and chemistry part kicks in. Drafted players take longer and certain positions even more too. It's all timing and opportunity in amassing that so called core. Guess why the HB debates get so entertaining because everyone is right and totally wrong at the same time. The kaleidoscope of the moving parts makes it interesting. The achievement all the more so daunting until the ultimate vindication in results.

You are very astute about the time question and measurement. Where is one to begin?

Looking at it in a wide angle it's a slippery creature to get a hold of in defining the factors of a building a team. Like the term itself rebuild. Sort of presuppose that there is no group of players to begin with but that's too static. The thing is not a one way linear process. There are layers to where pieces can be acquired. Draft, free agents and trades. All in conjunction.

Best source is draft but challenges with the lotto, rounds and time. Free agents, if you want young ones are usually outside of NHL.(Eg. NCAA, KHL)Trades, now have complicated values on contract and position. I'll add the freaky but not entirely impossible use of the waiver wire. (Eg. Grabner for Isles)

Then the development and chemistry part kicks in. Drafted players take longer and certain positions even more too. It's all timing and opportunity in amassing that so called core. Guess why the HB debates get so entertaining because everyone is right and totally wrong at the same time. The kaleidoscope of the moving parts makes it interesting. The achievement all the more so daunting until the ultimate vindication in results.
- Nuck4U

Lucille is hungry.

Goes great with prime ribishns
- golfingsince

growing up in southern ontario a family member owned a horseradish company.WE always had jars of it on the table, super fresh. What a difference fresh makes with this stuff. OUt here we get the junk and almost stale stuff due to the lack of demand here.

point is if you want great horseradish that is 1 place you can go to to find it. Huge difference.

worth having it shipped in

growing up in southern ontario a family member owned a horseradish company.WE always had jars of it on the table, super fresh. What a difference fresh makes with this stuff. OUt here we get the junk and almost stale stuff due to the lack of demand here.

point is if you want great horseradish that is 1 place you can go to to find it. Huge difference.
- SMBDragon

I agree fresh horseradish is the best. You can however find good fresh stuff in BC.

Try Choices, it has good local connections. If not, farmers markets.

I agree fresh horseradish is the best. You can however find good fresh stuff in BC.

Try Choices, it has good local connections. If not, farmers markets.
- golfingsince

I havent tried that.
Have you had the ontario stuff made out there?

Lucille is hungry.
- golfingsince

I ate her whole. Are you up for sloppy seconds? Don't mind the extra bits.

Changing the TWD narrative might be good to join Ragnar on his return to England. Want to go Bezerker on that