Overtime and Shootouts don't prove skill.

Vancouver has 5 regulation wins which is dead last.
- classic321

How does that makes sense? It's like saying the opposite is true? So having stone hands and no speed helps you win them?

Edit: point is that system makes no sense for team ergo lack of regulation wins. Overtime no system it's skill based yet they do well and look good there. The discrepancy doesn't mean it's a superstar team but playing something that they are not.

Overtime and Shootouts don't prove skill.

Vancouver has 5 regulation wins which is dead last.
- classic321

We are on pace for 13 regulation wins. Ugh that is atrocious

Little surprised at the Granlund haters on this board, seems like he's been pretty much our most productive bottom 6 forward hasn't he?
- neem55

He's very productive for a bottom 6 forward, the trick I believe has been giving him top 6 minutes.

He is currently 6th at 5v5 time, 6th for PP time and 6th for SH as a % of total minutes played.

One might say he's a "beast"

Hell and fire was spawned to be released

So we should recall Virtanen because he has 4 goals in 5 games?
The worst thing this team could do would be to let Demko play even once this year.

Schneider didn't start one game his first year in the pro's and he has better number' than Demko.
- classic321

there have been quite a few goalies that do well at a young age. Maybe Demko is more of a Brodeur. Doesn't have anything to do with JV. Two very different players on very different paths.

Well, I do agree to an extent. I just think he will/should get a start in the near future as he's played rteally well in Utica. Also Markstrom will have plenty of starts when Miller gets traded
- neem55

I have a hard time seeing Miller get traded. He's now had that mystery cramping/lower body injury pop up a few times and given his age and price tag, I cant see many suitors wanting to take him for fear of injury prone. And while I can understand wanting to reward Demko for his play, I cannot see a reason for not rewarding Markstrom for staying an entire season in Utica and then being the patient backup for the past 2 seasons

I forgot to mention—I sure didn't mind seeing Tryamkin get a penalty for taking Tom Wilson into the boards in the first period. Wilson was really good on the penalty kill and scored the empty-netter, but a guy with a reputation for throwing nasty hits was a non-issue physically in the game.

I wonder if he thought twice about using his body after his close encounter with Tree?
- Carol Schram

Bang on. Plus marginal call.

I agree but I would also like to see some adjustments or creativity on the power play.
1st Unit
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I don't understand why he keeps sending Granlund out there. I think Burrows has earned a spot and isn't afraid to go to the dirty areas.
- Bakwas

Don't get it if you agree with Lefty there is a serious lack of skill on the team and no point to change anything why make the PP, the biggest skill area, a must change?

I think he is getting a bit long in the tooth. Time to move on from Horvat.
- CanuckDon

Teens only

Nope. If the team has any moderate amount of faith that Markstrom can be the #1 guy next year, he should play every game Miller isnt healthy. He'll have to prove he can play through tough stretches and bad schedules, now is not the time to start moving onto Demko when we havent even left Miller behind yet
- WhiteLie

This is just it. Probably why we have heard rumblings of signing Miller for one more year which kinda sucks. It's looking a lot like Marky just ain't gonna be 'that guy' for us much in the way of Eddie Lack...and we may be stuck with Miller until Demko can step in to get some games.

So we should recall Virtanen because he has 4 goals in 5 games?
The worst thing this team could do would be to let Demko play even once this year.

Schneider didn't start one game his first year in the pro's and he has better number' than Demko.
- classic321

No

This is just it. Probably why we have heard rumblings of signing Miller for one more year which kinda sucks. It's looking a lot like Marky just ain't gonna be 'that guy' for us much in the way of Eddie Lack...and we may be stuck with Miller until Demko can step in to get some games.
- LordHumungous

This is pretty similar to what my response would have been. So if Marky isn't the guy, why not give Demko a crack or two?

This is just it. Probably why we have heard rumblings of signing Miller for one more year which kinda sucks. It's looking a lot like Marky just ain't gonna be 'that guy' for us much in the way of Eddie Lack...and we may be stuck with Miller until Demko can step in to get some games.
- LordHumungous

I really think its been a little unfair of them to suggest Markstrom cant handle the workload. His numbers have been nearly identical to Millers the past season and a half and with his age are likely to have an upswing with more games/experience, whereas Miller's will start to decline. I dont care if Miller does come back, but the balance of starts needs to shift, just as PP time and other opportunities should be considered for younger players skating in front of him

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No
- VANTEL

I think he is getting a bit long in the tooth. Time to move on from Horvat.
- CanuckDon

Yes. A valuable trading piece so the canucks can improve their centre depth.

This is just it. Probably why we have heard rumblings of signing Miller for one more year which kinda sucks. It's looking a lot like Marky just ain't gonna be 'that guy' for us much in the way of Eddie Lack...and we may be stuck with Miller until Demko can step in to get some games.
- LordHumungous

I don't want them to sign Miller. I was ok with the 3 years to play in front and then transition to Markstrom. I'm ok with Markstrom as the starter if they bring someone in to push him from the back up role. It doesnt seem like it's ever going to be like that with Miller here.

I'd like them to try and shape Markstrom into a better asset for when we move on to the next generation. It's not like we are going to suffer dearly because of Markstrom. The difference in points would be marginal from what I've seen of the this and late last season. Even if Markstrom is near peak, Miller is going the opposite direction.

I'm having a hard time thinking today...

This is pretty similar to what my response would have been. So if Marky isn't the guy, why not give Demko a crack or two?
- neem55

I hear you but this is a tough one. FLA pushed Markstrom in early and it mentally killed him for a few seasons. I want to see Demko in as much as anyone but a solid full year in Utica with good numbers should be top priority for him. If Miller Markstrom were both out long term then maybe he would get a look but still they would have to go out and get a decent starter (if Miller/Marky were both hurt) before Thrusting Demko in there.

I don't want them to sign Miller. I was ok with the 3 years to play in front and then transition to Markstrom. I'm ok with Markstrom as the starter if they bring someone in to push him from the back up role. It doesnt seem like it's ever going to be like that with Miller here.

I'd like them to try and shape Markstrom into a better asset for when we move on to the next generation. It's not like we are going to suffer dearly because of Markstrom. The difference in points would be marginal from what I've seen of the this and late last season. Even if Markstrom is near peak, Miller is going the opposite direction.

I'm having a hard time thinking today...

- boonerbuck

Agree and I think this is where Markstrom hopefully excels a bit as starter. Right now Markstrom is under the mentality of hey...'it's my job next year so all is good'. No that can't be the attitude and you are correct he needs to be pushed to be better by Demko. Because if this is the best we are seeing from Markstrom we are in huge trouble...scratch that we are in trouble anyway..,lol

Laine is the best player in his draft year so far imo....

how is it that JV isn't even in good enough condition to play 18-19 minutes a game...??

people seem to be jumping on the, "trade Tanev" train...

Don't get it if you agree with Lefty there is a serious lack of skill on the team and no point to change anything why make the PP, the biggest skill area, a must change?
- Nuck4U

I feel like if Sbisa was ever a member of hockeybuzz, he would be you.

I really think its been a little unfair of them to suggest Markstrom cant handle the workload. His numbers have been nearly identical to Millers the past season and a half and with his age are likely to have an upswing with more games/experience, whereas Miller's will start to decline. I dont care if Miller does come back, but the balance of starts needs to shift, just as PP time and other opportunities should be considered for younger players skating in front of him
- WhiteLie

Oh...I think he can handle the workload...but it will be in Eddie Lack style fashion. Markstrom needs to show a bit more to prove he can be a true no 1.

I hear you but this is a tough one. FLA pushed Markstrom in early and it mentally killed him for a few seasons. I want to see Demko in as much as anyone but a solid full year in Utica with good numbers should be top priority for him. If Miller Markstrom were both out long term then maybe he would get a look but still they would have to go out and get a decent starter (if Miller/Marky were both hurt) before Thrusting Demko in there.
- LordHumungous

Gilbert Brule.

That's why I don't listen to a thing doug maclean says. Not a bad coach. Terrible GM.

riveting opinion and input. Anyone else have an idea of when Demko might get a crack?
- neem55

Lol Steaming loves to explain. Anyway, Demko is here for insurance. It's Marky's turn to show he is #1 ready. WD's pattern is he doesn't experiment with young guys. If Miller is out long term and there are no other options then maybe Demko gets the nod.

I hear you but this is a tough one. FLA pushed Markstrom in early and it mentally killed him for a few seasons. I want to see Demko in as much as anyone but a solid full year in Utica with good numbers should be top priority for him. If Miller Markstrom were both out long term then maybe he would get a look but still they would have to go out and get a decent starter (if Miller/Marky were both hurt) before Thrusting Demko in there.
- LordHumungous

Same with Jake