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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 12 @ 5:39 PM ET
I feel like if Sbisa was ever a member of hockeybuzz, he would be you.
- Codes1087



Is that like the broken clock analogy?
Bakwas
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.22.2012

Dec 12 @ 5:42 PM ET
Don't get it if you agree with Lefty there is a serious lack of skill on the team and no point to change anything why make the PP, the biggest skill area, a must change?
- Nuck4U



You are right...playing for 10 minutes with the man advantage and recording 1 shot on net isn't something to worry about.

My bad!
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 12 @ 5:43 PM ET
Is that like the broken clock analogy?
- VANTEL


Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 5:59 PM ET
I feel like if Sbisa was ever a member of hockeybuzz, he would be you.
- Codes1087



DID I forget to give you a pizza? What's the Buzz cuz
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 6:05 PM ET
You are right...playing for 10 minutes with the man advantage and recording 1 shot on net isn't something to worry about.

My bad!

- Bakwas



Actually, I do beleive the PP can be improved because there is the talent and skill to perform better. You confused the matter by agreeing there wasn't any and it's just changing the deck chairs. Then went on giving line combos that's all.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 6:09 PM ET
Is that like the broken clock analogy?
- VANTEL



We know Codes is Japanese digital accurate and you got Swiss precision. How could my Canuck's time piece made in China stand a chance
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:14 PM ET
We know Codes is Japanese digital accurate and you got Swiss precision. How could my Canuck's time piece made in China stand a chance
- Nuck4U


lol what?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 12 @ 6:14 PM ET
We know Codes is Japanese digital accurate and you got Swiss precision. How could my Canuck's time piece made in China stand a chance
- Nuck4U



Did you buy it at the Wong Fuk Yen Clock store
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:14 PM ET
DID I forget to give you a pizza? What's the Buzz cuz
- Nuck4U


its a fair comparison. Everyone likes Pizza!
Bakwas
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.22.2012

Dec 12 @ 6:14 PM ET
Actually, I do beleive the PP can be improved because there is the talent and skill to perform better. You confused the matter by agreeing there wasn't any and it's just changing the deck chairs. Then went on giving line combos that's all.
- Nuck4U



What I agreed on was the fact that our organization does lack skill beyond some of the obvious players I had mentioned. The Sedins are still very skilled players, as is Horvat, LE, and Sutter. Beyond that, particularly up front, we are garbage.

You are reading too much into my comments son!

NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Dec 12 @ 6:15 PM ET
How does that makes sense? It's like saying the opposite is true? So having stone hands and no speed helps you win them?

Edit: point is that system makes no sense for team ergo lack of regulation wins. Overtime no system it's skill based yet they do well and look good there. The discrepancy doesn't mean it's a superstar team but playing something that they are not.

- Nuck4U

Honestly I think you have this backwards. We play well in OT because the coaching staff and players figured out what they need to do in terms of line combos and actual play on the ice, for example splitting up the twins. Remember last year when we couldn't win an OT game to save our lives? the guys out there playing aren't much different this year, just got it figured out.

We play worse in regulation because we lack A: high end skill and B: depth in the lineup.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 12 @ 6:27 PM ET
Does Van only have 4 prospects going to the world juniors?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:29 PM ET
Does Van only have 4 prospects going to the world juniors?
- manvanfan

Who beyond Juolevi and Boeser? I know Lockwood and Bris where maybes
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 6:32 PM ET
Who beyond Juolevi and Boeser? I know Lockwood and Bris where maybes
- CanuckDon


I thought Lockwood didnt get the invite?
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 12 @ 6:32 PM ET
Does Van only have 4 prospects going to the world juniors?
- manvanfan


No idea.

OJ, Brisbois, Boeser, who's the 4th again?
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:34 PM ET
I thought Lockwood didnt get the invite?
- WhiteLie

I doubt he did...he is young and their forwards are stacked. Is Jasek eligible?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 6:40 PM ET
Honestly I think you have this backwards. We play well in OT because the coaching staff and players figured out what they need to do in terms of line combos and actual play on the ice, for example splitting up the twins. Remember last year when we couldn't win an OT game to save our lives? the guys out there playing aren't much different this year, just got it figured out.

We play worse in regulation because we lack A: high end skill and B: depth in the lineup.

- NorthNuck

This
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 6:41 PM ET
Honestly I think you have this backwards. We play well in OT because the coaching staff and players figured out what they need to do in terms of line combos and actual play on the ice, for example splitting up the twins. Remember last year when we couldn't win an OT game to save our lives? the guys out there playing aren't much different this year, just got it figured out.

We play worse in regulation because we lack A: high end skill and B: depth in the lineup.

- NorthNuck


I agree that they figured the right line combos out for OT. Doesn't OT and shoot out require more skill and speed to succeed? As opposed to regulation where you can use defensive systems and sit back play?

My point is one of measurement and application. Look at the Sedins latest comments about play and lack of aggressiveness. If you are playing a sit back and wait for mistakes defensive system that WD says he's using then scoring is going to be effected. The PP used to make up for it. That's not working either.

Simply, yes it's not a superstar loaded team but this collective group is better suited for a skill system style and pushing play as a group. What they lack in individual star talent they can make an impact as a group. At least better (more entertaining) then how they are performing now.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 6:42 PM ET
No idea.

OJ, Brisbois, Boeser, who's the 4th again?

- Whiskey-Tango


I thought Jasek was in ? Possible Zhukenov
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 6:44 PM ET
I doubt he did...he is young and their forwards are stacked. Is Jasek eligible?
- CanuckDon


Looks like Jasek is eligible.

http://www.worldjunior201.../en/teams/czech-republic/
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 12 @ 6:46 PM ET
Looks like Jasek is eligible.

http://www.worldjunior201.../en/teams/czech-republic/

- belcherbd


Good find, I was thinking it was him but was struggling getting the prelim rosters
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:47 PM ET
I thought Jasek was in ? Possible Zhukenov
- belcherbd

I looked and it's a challenge..Have other teams finalized rosters? Canada hasn't. Zhukenov would make sense, Jasek is playing poorly (at least from observing stats).
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Dec 12 @ 6:48 PM ET
I agree that they figured the right line combos out for OT. Doesn't OT and shoot out require more skill and speed to succeed? As opposed to regulation where you can use defensive systems and sit back play?

My point is one of measurement and application. Look at the Sedins latest comments about play and lack of aggressiveness. If you are playing a sit back and wait for mistakes defensive system that WD says he's using then scoring is going to be effected. The PP used to make up for it. That's not working either.

Simply, yes it's not a superstar loaded team but this collective group is better suited for a skill system play and pushing play as a group. What they lack in individual star talent they can make an impact as a group. At least better then how they are performing now.

- Nuck4U

I would agree that this team is not suited to fight the war of attrition that WD seems to want them to play so often, due to lack of depth. The problem is that while the few good guys we have are suited to more of a skill game, we don't have enough of that skill to win with any consistency.

No matter which way you look at it, we need to add several high end guys, and do it without sacrificing too much of what little we have in guys like Bo, Hutton, Stecher, Tree.

Thus why the next 2 drafts are so crucial for this team.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 6:51 PM ET
Good find, I was thinking it was him but was struggling getting the prelim rosters
- WhiteLie


Unfortunately I think Brisebois will be in tough, its a pretty good group of D at camp.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 12 @ 6:55 PM ET
I looked and it's a challenge..Have other teams finalized rosters? Canada hasn't. Zhukenov would make sense, Jasek is playing poorly (at least from observing stats).
- CanuckDon

Jasek got invite and they only had 14 forwards or something.
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