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belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 6:57 PM ET
I looked and it's a challenge..Have other teams finalized rosters? Canada hasn't. Zhukenov would make sense, Jasek is playing poorly (at least from observing stats).
- CanuckDon


Jasek is on the prelim roster. I don't think any teams have finalized their rosters but I could be wrong.

Jasek is a bit tougher to figure out looking at his stats but my understanding is that he is playing pretty decent in the tier 2 czech league (professional) where he has 13 pts in 18 games.

He has also played 10 games in the tier one czech pro league where he has no points.

He has bounced around a bit the past 3 years playing junior and then pro in a variety of different tiers.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 12 @ 6:58 PM ET
Looks like Jasek is eligible.

http://www.worldjunior201.../en/teams/czech-republic/

- belcherbd

I think a 4th place finish for Canada this year.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 12 @ 6:59 PM ET
Jasek is on the prelim roster. I don't think any teams have finalized their rosters but I could be wrong.

Jasek is a bit tougher to figure out looking at his stats but my understanding is that he is playing pretty decent in the tier 2 czech league (professional) where he has 13 pts in 18 games.

He has also played 10 games in the tier one czech pro league where he has no points.

He has bounced around a bit the past 3 years playing junior and then pro in a variety of different tiers.

- belcherbd

I believe he is out of contract this year and will be coming over to america
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:59 PM ET
Gilbert Brule.

That's why I don't listen to a thing doug maclean says. Not a bad coach. Terrible GM.

- bloatedmosquito

lol
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 12 @ 6:59 PM ET
Same with Jake
- VANTEL

true
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 12 @ 7:00 PM ET
Looks like Jasek is eligible.

http://www.worldjunior201.../en/teams/czech-republic/

- belcherbd


Right on thanks. Will do him some good to finally get some steady games assuming he makes the cut.

I know upcoming draftees rarely make the cut, but Christ, is anyone in the projected top 5, or even 3, even in the tourney? Injuries and lack of game breakers are really going to screw up this draft.

Knowing our luck, we will likely get our highest pick in over 3 decades in a relatively garbage draft class
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 7:01 PM ET
I think a 4th place finish for Canada this year.
- manvanfan


Improvement over last year

I have no idea who should be the power house team?

US have some pretty sick forwards perhaps them.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 12 @ 7:03 PM ET
lol
- LordHumungous


He destroyed that kids career.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 12 @ 7:04 PM ET
Improvement over last year

I have no idea who should be the power house team?

US have some pretty sick forwards perhaps them.

- belcherbd


from what I understand, US and Fins are looking good.

Canada's lineup has one thing going for it: Size. Big kids in every position. I like Raddysh, another great draft pick by Tampa
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 7:05 PM ET
I believe he is out of contract this year and will be coming over to america
- manvanfan


I seem to remember the same thing, he should be eligible for AHL as well.

The Comets should get a few Canuck prospect recruits next year if they can make the cut.

Jasek
Zhuchenov
Brisebois
Olsen
Stukel
Abols
McKenzie
Neil
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Dec 12 @ 7:05 PM ET
Right on thanks. Will do him some good to finally get some steady games assuming he makes the cut.

I know upcoming draftees rarely make the cut, but Christ, is anyone in the projected top 5, or even 3, even in the tourney? Injuries and lack of game breakers are really going to screw up this draft.

Knowing our luck, we will likely get our highest pick in over 3 decades in a relatively garbage draft class

- Whiskey-Tango


Which is why there's no point in worrying about getting that top pick. Why bother when there's no gamebreaker, I liken it to when Edmonton decided to "Fail for Nail" and look how that worked out for them. Why not just stay the course, be mediocre just for this year and then IF next season is like this, that's when you try and be as bad as you can be because the draft class is much better plus the Sedins will be coming off the books and you could convince LE that he'd be better off with another team.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 7:07 PM ET
Right on thanks. Will do him some good to finally get some steady games assuming he makes the cut.

I know upcoming draftees rarely make the cut, but Christ, is anyone in the projected top 5, or even 3, even in the tourney? Injuries and lack of game breakers are really going to screw up this draft.

Knowing our luck, we will likely get our highest pick in over 3 decades in a relatively garbage draft class

- Whiskey-Tango


Nico is on the list for the Swiss but I think he will still be injured. Very few draft eligible guys though.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Dec 12 @ 7:07 PM ET
Right on thanks. Will do him some good to finally get some steady games assuming he makes the cut.

I know upcoming draftees rarely make the cut, but Christ, is anyone in the projected top 5, or even 3, even in the tourney? Injuries and lack of game breakers are really going to screw up this draft.

Knowing our luck, we will likely get our highest pick in over 3 decades in a relatively garbage draft class

- Whiskey-Tango


I'm not sure what the deal with the Swiss is, but Hirshier is very interesting. Lilgren will likely make Sweden.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 12 @ 7:07 PM ET
Which is why there's no point in worrying about getting that top pick. Why bother when there's no gamebreaker, I liken it to when Edmonton decided to "Fail for Nail" and look how that worked out for them. Why not just stay the course, be mediocre just for this year and then IF next season is like this, that's when you try and be as bad as you can be because the draft class is much better plus the Sedins will be coming off the books and you could convince LE that he'd be better off with another team.
- DariusKnight


For the love of god Darius, no.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 7:08 PM ET
from what I understand, US and Fins are looking good.

Canada's lineup has one thing going for it: Size. Big kids in every position. I like Raddysh, another great draft pick by Tampa

- neem55


Ya Raddysh is looking good..... another 2nd round pick
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Dec 12 @ 7:08 PM ET
I would agree that this team is not suited to fight the war of attrition that WD seems to want them to play so often, due to lack of depth. The problem is that while the few good guys we have are suited to more of a skill game, we don't have enough of that skill to win with any consistency.

No matter which way you look at it, we need to add several high end guys, and do it without sacrificing too much of what little we have in guys like Bo, Hutton, Stecher, Tree.

Thus why the next 2 drafts are so crucial for this team.

- NorthNuck


There is no consistency now playing the system they are and it makes the players look worse. (At least by showing of skill in OT) So change it up and develop a different identity. It's at least more entertaining and can't be any worse in wins then they are getting now.

As for depth it needs improvement. It seems to be more of a factor for championship showings like finishing tops in the league or going for the Cup. The draft will help improve high end impact players and later rounds add to depth for the club that runs into injuries. Also maybe a free agent signing like a Panarin or Veasey find. Plus, a lucky Hall type trade may get them there too.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 7:08 PM ET
He destroyed that kids career.
- bloatedmosquito

I think Gilbert had a part in it as well.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Dec 12 @ 7:09 PM ET
Which is why there's no point in worrying about getting that top pick. Why bother when there's no gamebreaker, I liken it to when Edmonton decided to "Fail for Nail" and look how that worked out for them. Why not just stay the course, be mediocre just for this year and then IF next season is like this, that's when you try and be as bad as you can be because the draft class is much better plus the Sedins will be coming off the books and you could convince LE that he'd be better off with another team.
- DariusKnight


Nail hasn't turned out the way most expected but He was a legit 1st over all.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 12 @ 7:12 PM ET
I seem to remember the same thing, he should be eligible for AHL as well.

The Comets should get a few Canuck prospect recruits next year if they can make the cut.

Jasek
Zhuchenov
Brisebois
Olsen
Stukel
Abols
McKenzie
Neil

- belcherbd

I hope some of these guys like Anchorage
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Dec 12 @ 7:13 PM ET
For the love of god Darius, no.
- bloatedmosquito


So you want to pick someone 1OA (provided we win the lotto of course) who isn't a gamebreaker and who while projected to be a 1C isn't going to be that much more talented then Bo? Do we need another Horvat? That's why I say, stay the course THIS YEAR and then NEXT YEAR when the draft class is projected to have 1 or 2 gamebreakers in the top 3 you can go for the bottom. You'll also have most of the core on either their final year of their contracts (Sedins) and will be able to more easily convince players like Edler, LE and Sutter that they'd be better off elsewhere and get assets for them and then try to stuff the lotto box.

I don't want another Linden or Nedved and that's who I see we'd get this year, if the draft class is that weak, where we pick this year doesn't matter and we might as well stay the course.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 12 @ 7:13 PM ET
There is no consistency now playing the system they are and it makes the players look worse. (At least by showing of skill in OT) So change it up and develop a different identity. It's at least more entertaining and can't be any worse in wins then they are getting now.

As for depth it needs improvement. It seems to be more of a factor for championship showings like finishing tops in the league or going for the Cup. The draft will help improve high end impact players and later rounds add to depth for the club that runs into injuries. Also maybe a free agent signing like a Panarin or Veasey find. Plus, a lucky Hall type trade may get them there too.

- Nuck4U


The canucks can't do a "Hall type trade" because they don't have a player like Adam Larsson to give away. That trade wasn't about luck.

The luongo trade or the Bertuzzi trade are lucky deals.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Dec 12 @ 7:14 PM ET
Nail hasn't turned out the way most expected but He was a legit 1st over all.
- belcherbd


IMO a winger 1OA is not legit unless a Kane type player.
Yak is & never was going to pan out. Now Laine.......
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Dec 12 @ 7:15 PM ET
Nail hasn't turned out the way most expected but He was a legit 1st over all.
- belcherbd


For that draft class, yes, but it wasn't saying much, very few of the players in the first round of that draft are playing or playing significant roles on their teams.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 12 @ 7:15 PM ET
I think Gilbert had a part in it as well.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Yes he did but which came first, the unsustainable pressure or the destructive behavior?
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Dec 12 @ 7:15 PM ET
Which is why there's no point in worrying about getting that top pick. Why bother when there's no gamebreaker, I liken it to when Edmonton decided to "Fail for Nail" and look how that worked out for them. Why not just stay the course, be mediocre just for this year and then IF next season is like this, that's when you try and be as bad as you can be because the draft class is much better plus the Sedins will be coming off the books and you could convince LE that he'd be better off with another team.
- DariusKnight


Agree in full.
That said, hopefully we can get lucky ala MTL with Galchenyuk
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