What should they say in the media? Our team stinks and we are embracing a tank? They would be ridiculed and fired pretty quick. I am sure they will try and unload vets once we are eliminated. They certainly tried last and failed miserably. It's a challenge, our vets are terrible
- CanuckDon

TL, JB and WD should hold up signs outside Rogers Arena that say "We're Trollin' For Nolan!" and have t-shirts, hats and buttons made and pass them out to the 200 or so fans that bother to actually buy tickets to the game instead of either watching it on TV or skipping it altogether.

He's also injured and in some lists is dropping because of it, and unless Manvanfan is a scout, I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt. He might very well be right, but I tend to look at comparisons like that with skepticism. I mean really, a cross between Crosby who is a generational scorer and Joe Thornton? I've looked at a lot of scouting reports and no one says he's even close to that sort of talent. At best they described him as a Matt Duchene or Anze Kopitar type center which admittedly is more than what we have now.

I'm just saying that trying to go rock bottom this year isn't the time when you can't guarantee that you are going to definitely be 30th overall and get the very best odds for 1OA and if you do happen to win it, that you're not guaranteed someone who can be as good as Tavares or Matthews or McDavid or Stamkos. I freely admit if we do manage to get there that we'll get a 1C, but it'll be a Tier 2 1C that won't be a star.
- DariusKnight

Pretty sure it was Bob McKenzie who said if he had to compare Nolan Patrick to a player right now it would be Ryan Getzlaf. That would be a pretty darn good player IMO.

Pretty sure it was Bob McKenzie who said if he had to compare Nolan Patrick to a player right now it would be Ryan Getzlaf. That would be a pretty darn good player IMO.
- Reubenkincade

No offense, but you have brought up the system play at least 3 times in past 24 hours and at least 20 times since you joined 2 months ago. Pretty sure most get you don't like it or WD, take the advice you were given the other day, move on and try some new material if no one responds drop it.
Please don't PM me.
- Reubenkincade

What is your malfunction? Clearly facts are not part of your narrative. There is a conversation and analysis. It's not WD suck speech. Obviously, you don't get it and have no clue on what to move on or speak about. Though your obessession to be offensive and disruptive is telling by your thoughtless contribution to hockey talk.

Barkov and Galchenyuk were both top-5 picks, generally unknown players before they were drafted. These are classic examples of why tanking for a top-5 pick is ideal for rebuilding teams.

canucks management (and many Canucks fans) problem is a denial that we need to be/are a rebuilding team. Linden and JB keep saying that they aren't doing this and it will ultimately just take us longer to get back to being competitive again. I really thought our nose dive last year would have woke them up, apparently we need to be mediocre another year first.

In the meantime, I will take solace in the fact that WD and the Sedin's have done an excellent job grooming Bo who looks extremely poised this year after a really tough year last season.
- neem55

Not unknowns but rather C's r more highly sought after.
I'll take any of Patrick Villardi or Mittlestadt.

- Marwood

IS that your alt

I don't see anything about him being injured.
- Retinalz

Whoops, I was thinking vivalardiiii or whatever his name is.

TL, JB and WD should hold up signs outside Rogers Arena that say "We're Trollin' For Nolan!" and have t-shirts, hats and buttons made and pass them out to the 200 or so fans that bother to actually buy tickets to the game instead of either watching it on TV or skipping it altogether.
- DariusKnight

It appears to be what folks want these days...The fact that they haven't done ANYTHING to improve depth at the AHL level and NHL level since their 9 game losing streak should be pretty telling.

Bruins and Habs game... two massive hits on the same shift then Krug and Gallagher drop the mitts a couple of shifts later.

Bruins/Habs are for ever...

So because other teams got lucky, or developed Galchenyuk, Reilly and Murray in that year that instantly makes all top 5 picks desirable? Yes, the likelihood of getting a gamebreaker is higher, but it's not assured... Jaden Schwartz wasn't a top 5 pick, neither was Kyle Turris or Johnny Gaudreau for that matter. Heck Kopitar, Pavelski and Getzlaf weren't top 5 picks in their draft years. All of whom are pretty good for their teams.

Look, if we end up there, fine, that's hockey and that's the hand you're dealt. I just do not want to see the team dumping players for potential assets and bottoming out in a year where there's no surefire saviour at the top of the draft. Last year I would have been super happy had things shaken out differently and we either kept the 3OA or moved up, this draft I'm not as impressed.
- DariusKnight

Turris was 3rd overall. Getzlaf and Kopitar were picked in extremely dstrong draft years. It's not about drafting a savior, it's a bout putting your team in the best position to draft players that will be a part of the core going forward.

As you've said about other poster's on here, unless you're a pro scout I sincerely doubt you know what you are talking about in terms of this year's draft. It seems every year one or two players seperate themselves from the pack. last year not a person on the message board had heard of Laine before the WJC where he looked so dominant and his shot looked so good it was impossible to miss. A player or two like that could easily emerge out of this year's draft.

What good does finishing in the middle do for this team? how does it help build the core more than finishing low and getting a top-5 pick?

Not unknowns but rather C's r more highly sought after.
I'll take any of Patrick Villardi or Mittlestadt.
- Nighthawk

So you knew Barkov and Galcheyuk would emerge as 1C's did you?

my point today always has been: if we get a top-5 pick, thats also top-5 in the second and third rounds. It's about putting JB in a position to do the thing he was brought here to do: Draft

So because other teams got lucky, or developed Galchenyuk, Reilly and Murray in that year that instantly makes all top 5 picks desirable? Yes, the likelihood of getting a gamebreaker is higher, but it's not assured... Jaden Schwartz wasn't a top 5 pick, neither was Kyle Turris or Johnny Gaudreau for that matter. Heck Kopitar, Pavelski and Getzlaf weren't top 5 picks in their draft years. All of whom are pretty good for their teams.

Look, if we end up there, fine, that's hockey and that's the hand you're dealt. I just do not want to see the team dumping players for potential assets and bottoming out in a year where there's no surefire saviour at the top of the draft. Last year I would have been super happy had things shaken out differently and we either kept the 3OA or moved up, this draft I'm not as impressed.
- DariusKnight

Scouting is also getting better and more exact in measurement than it was 6 + years ago. Also a lot less players are becoming unknowns thanks to social media. Gaudreau was a high risk high reward college draft that worked out. They fail more than succeed. Using him as a measure, Gaudette could "theoretically" turn out to be top 6, though he likely won't. Players will always drop because GM's covet different things outside the top 3-5 usually. As well as some GM's don't like drafting college bound kids in 1st round because of what happened with Vesey and others like him. I no longer remember where I am going with this so i will end the rant there.

Turris was 3rd overall. Getzlaf and Kopitar were picked in extremely dstrong draft years. It's not about drafting a savior, it's a bout putting your team in the best position to draft players that will be a part of the core going forward.

As you've said about other poster's on here, unless you're a pro scout I sincerely doubt you know what you are talking about in terms of this year's draft. It seems every year one or two players seperate themselves from the pack. last year not a person on the message board had heard of Laine before the WJC where he looked so dominant and his shot looked so good it was impossible to miss. A player or two like that could easily emerge out of this year's draft.

What good does finishing in the middle do for this team? how does it help build the core more than finishing low and getting a top-5 pick?
- neem55

Nico Hischier probably is that player... he's already moving up quickly but we'll get to see why in a couple of weeks maybe...

Improvement over last year

I have no idea who should be the power house team?

US have some pretty sick forwards perhaps them.
- belcherbd

US D is shaking I hear. Forwards seem the same as Canada lack the top end talent. Probably why they choose to go with a lot of 19 year olds.
Sweden, Finland sound like the teams to beat.

Pretty sure it was Bob McKenzie who said if he had to compare Nolan Patrick to a player right now it would be Ryan Getzlaf. That would be a pretty darn good player IMO.
- Reubenkincade

Who was not a 1OA pick and could be found in bottom half of 1st round. Why Darius pointed out no pressing need to tear it up and tank this season.

I'm not so sure this draft class is as weak as you make it out to be. Different opinions out there. Manvanfan thinks Nolan Patrick is a cross between Crosby and Joe Thornton. Jesus christ, that would look good in a canuck jersey.
- bloatedmosquito

I also said after that he has their styles but probably won't end up being as good as them. Maybe more around Joe's skill level.

What is your malfunction? Clearly facts are not part of your narrative. There is a conversation and analysis. It's not WD suck speech. Obviously, you don't get it and have no clue on what to move on or speak about. Though your obessession to be offensive and disruptive is telling by your thoughtless contribution to hockey talk.
- Nuck4U

I see you continue to take constructive criticism well.if I wanted to be offensive I would have just called you an idiot, but I didn't because I am to nice of a guy, but a clueless not very bright one

Who was not a 1OA pick and could be found in bottom half of 1st round. Why Darius pointed out no pressing need to tear it up and tank this season.
- Nuck4U

Yes he was a bottom half of the 1st rd pick in probably the greatest draft year ever.

Anyone know when Vilardi is expected back? If anyone drops out of the top 5 because of injury, it's probably him. Patrick is pretty secure to hold I think.

Anyone know when Vilardi is expected back? If anyone drops out of the top 5 because of injury, it's probably him. Patrick is pretty secure to hold I think.
- boonerbuck

I still think Patrick will go 1st.

He's also injured and in some lists is dropping because of it, and unless Manvanfan is a scout, I tend to take what he says with a grain of salt. He might very well be right, but I tend to look at comparisons like that with skepticism. I mean really, a cross between Crosby who is a generational scorer and Joe Thornton? I've looked at a lot of scouting reports and no one says he's even close to that sort of talent. At best they described him as a Matt Duchene or Anze Kopitar type center which admittedly is more than what we have now.

I'm just saying that trying to go rock bottom this year isn't the time when you can't guarantee that you are going to definitely be 30th overall and get the very best odds for 1OA and if you do happen to win it, that you're not guaranteed someone who can be as good as Tavares or Matthews or McDavid or Stamkos. I freely admit if we do manage to get there that we'll get a 1C, but it'll be a Tier 2 1C that won't be a star.
- DariusKnight

You know i've seen him play probably 75 times now. He plays for the Brandon Wheat Kings where I live. I've seen Provorov, Brayden Schenn over the years and many other NHL players from Brandon. Used to workout with Matt Calvert. That kid is proof that serious hard work pays off. The fact that someone has compared Patrick to Kopitar, I would say they have never seen him play ever. Not even highlights.

Who was not a 1OA pick and could be found in bottom half of 1st round. Why Darius pointed out no pressing need to tear it up and tank this season.
- Nuck4U

My point was Getzlaf is not a 2nd tier #1C as he also suggested in his post., but what would I know I haven't a clue

Who was not a 1OA pick and could be found in bottom half of 1st round. Why Darius pointed out no pressing need to tear it up and tank this season.
- Nuck4U

We are also comparing players to their styles of more established players. Whether they reach the peak of that person they are compared to is much different.

Anyone know when Vilardi is expected back? If anyone drops out of the top 5 because of injury, it's probably him. Patrick is pretty secure to hold I think.
- boonerbuck

I highly doubt he drops out of the top spot as well. That said, the thing i do find alarming about him is the fact that he is one of the oldest players hitting this draft.

Gabriel Vilardi on the other hand is one of the youngest.

I still take Nolan though, (frank)ing kid has been in the CHL since 2013 lol.

I still think Patrick will go 1st.
- A_SteamingLombardi

As long as he is healthy during draft time and isn't injuried.