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hagar58
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 07.12.2013

Dec 19 @ 12:19 PM ET
I usually use naturalstattrick.com to check out game event statistics and their game overview tracks corsi events, fenwick events, shots, scoring chances, high danger corsi events, and goals. So I believe it does track quality of chance being...

high danger>scoring chance>shots

The way I look at it is although a player can post a solid corsi.. if I'm not seeing scoring chances/high danger events... those shots probably aren't worth a damn. Personally, I don't think most advanced stats people ONLY look at numbers... they use numbers with the eye test in combination. Ya know? I watched the Pens game, and yeah maybe a few odd man breaks Gardiner was out there.. but he was also out there when the Leafs had sustained pressure in the Pens zone.

- j.boyd919


Interesting site. I had a glance at the Leafs last 10 games and saw this:

2 of the games their CF% was 42% or lower, they won both
2 of the games were virtual ties; won one, lost one
6 of the games they were 57% or better, lost all but the one against the Penguins

As I said, advanced stats is a useful tool, but only when used as part of the whole analysis package because it doesn't show the entire picture.

And yes, there are some advanced stats people that believe it is the ONLY answer.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Dec 19 @ 12:27 PM ET
The site runs millions of equations on points available, paths to the playoffs, schedule remaining, etc. I didn't really look but maybe Toronto has a relatively soft schedule remaining. Take a look at NJs and NYIs odds. Even though they aren't two of the three worst in points they give them the lowest odds based on strength of division and upcoming schedule.
- smellmyfinger


Interesting. I'll have to check it out, thanks! Sounds easier and more productive than doing the calcs at my desk, waiting for work!
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Dec 19 @ 3:34 PM ET
Interesting site. I had a glance at the Leafs last 10 games and saw this:

2 of the games their CF% was 42% or lower, they won both
2 of the games were virtual ties; won one, lost one
6 of the games they were 57% or better, lost all but the one against the Penguins

As I said, advanced stats is a useful tool, but only when used as part of the whole analysis package because it doesn't show the entire picture.

And yes, there are some advanced stats people that believe it is the ONLY answer.

- hagar58



Yeah thats why I don't ONLY look at Corsi, I try to look at Corsi, Fenwick, Scoring chances, High danger scoring chances, also the opposition's output, goalies they are facing, etc. Just looking at one stat is a recipe for disaster. I think using all the stats along with the eye test is where you should be.
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Dec 19 @ 3:57 PM ET


Myself and NHL Coaches are wrong. Good thinking, James.

To paraprase Dylan Strome about a week before going back to junior: you can only go so far on talent alone. At the NHL level there is such a divide in hard work, talent, and accountability that extremely talented players often have to spend time redeveloping their game to adjust to the that level in order to play a 200 foot game properly.

If I can find that article this week I'll be happy to post it here.

I coach a hockey team myself. Since you're making assumptions about my backround. Mind if I ask if you've Coached or even played in the past?

- fry


Still waiting on this.
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