Quite the opposite. It's 30 games. Florida has also had serious injuries, and have had their franchise D have an off year.

And it's being blamed solely on the "philosophy"

We are in our 2nd year of building, and we are to be patient.

Panthers are on 32 games of a "philosophy" and it's already deemed a failure?
- sbroads24

Let's start from here: you are the one who has spent weeks railing against Kulikov's short tenure with the Sabres, and Reinhart's fate being already cast, and this thread's suggestion that we can't really gauge the Sabres in light of injuries and a wildly fluctuating line up; and lauding the Panthers for their quick moves in canning Gallant, particularly in light of Murray's inactivity this year.

With that as a given, I am not saying that 32 games of philosophy is a failure.

I'm saying you can't be logically consistent without rejecting the results that the Panthers philosophy has produced.

And the upshot of all of that is that you either have to reject the validity of fancy stats as a directive for a franchise, or you have to stop with this constant barrage that the Sabres will not be good with the roster it has this year.

Quite the opposite. It's 30 games. Florida has also had serious injuries, and have had their franchise D have an off year.

And it's being blamed solely on the "philosophy"

We are in our 2nd year of building, and we are to be patient.

Panthers are on 32 games of a "philosophy" and it's already deemed a failure?
- sbroads24

I don't think it's that. I think it's they did so well last year, why mess with a winning formula. Now tweaks obviously have to be made, but they went an entirely new direction with less than desirable results thus far. I'd say that's ass backwards, but what do I know. I just live a simple life.

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- cabin

actually had a '77 mustang 2...wasn't fond of it

Let's start from here: you are the one who has spent weeks railing against Kulikov's short tenure with the Sabres, and Reinhart's fate being already cast, and this thread's suggestion that we can't really gauge the Sabres in light of injuries and a wildly fluctuating line up; and lauding the Panthers for their quick moves in canning Gallant, particularly in light of Murray's inactivity this year.

With that as a given, I am not saying that 32 games of philosophy is a failure.

I'm saying you can't be logically consistent without rejecting the results that the Panthers philosophy has produced.

And the upshot of all of that is that you either have to reject the validity of fancy stats as a directive for a franchise, or you have to stop with this constant barrage that the Sabres will not be good with the roster it has this year.
- Der Kaiser

impressive, schultzie

impressive, schultzie
- Michael Pachla

Guest star on The Instigators? I'd love to see it.

Guest star on The Instigators? I'd love to see it.
- Pope of Pucks

from what I've been hearing, that show needs a lot of help

from what I've been hearing, that show needs a lot of help
- Michael Pachla

Is it worse than the Anson Carter experience?

The bar is what the bar is.

The bottle is what the bottle is.

A leaf is what a leaf is.
- Der Kaiser

from what I've been hearing, that show needs a lot of help
- Michael Pachla

Biron is an astute hockey guy. Rivet is all bluster about leadership. Peters is entertaining to a degree but will not call out under achieving players. Needs more Biron and Kris Baker

Let's start from here: you are the one who has spent weeks railing against Kulikov's short tenure with the Sabres, and Reinhart's fate being already cast, and this thread's suggestion that we can't really gauge the Sabres in light of injuries and a wildly fluctuating line up; and lauding the Panthers for their quick moves in canning Gallant, particularly in light of Murray's inactivity this year.

With that as a given, I am not saying that 32 games of philosophy is a failure.

I'm saying you can't be logically consistent without rejecting the results that the Panthers philosophy has produced.

And the upshot of all of that is that you either have to reject the validity of fancy stats as a directive for a franchise, or you have to stop with this constant barrage that the Sabres will not be good with the roster it has this year.
- Der Kaiser

Let's start from here: you are the one who has spent weeks railing against Kulikov's short tenure with the Sabres, and Reinhart's fate being already cast, and this thread's suggestion that we can't really gauge the Sabres in light of injuries and a wildly fluctuating line up; and lauding the Panthers for their quick moves in canning Gallant, particularly in light of Murray's inactivity this year.

With that as a given, I am not saying that 32 games of philosophy is a failure.

I'm saying you can't be logically consistent without rejecting the results that the Panthers philosophy has produced.

And the upshot of all of that is that you either have to reject the validity of fancy stats as a directive for a franchise, or you have to stop with this constant barrage that the Sabres will not be good with the roster it has this year.
- Der Kaiser

I'm not lauding the Panthers for anything. I was simply pointing out that the "analytics guru's" have also made key acquisitions that simply get ignored by the vultures waiting to hammer at the analytics driven roster they are attempting to put together. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work

Also too, I have said from the day before the Eichel injury, I expected playoffs this year. I also said best shot to win a cup was 17-18. I do think they can be good.

Let's start from here: you are the one who has spent weeks railing against Kulikov's short tenure with the Sabres, and Reinhart's fate being already cast, and this thread's suggestion that we can't really gauge the Sabres in light of injuries and a wildly fluctuating line up; and lauding the Panthers for their quick moves in canning Gallant, particularly in light of Murray's inactivity this year.

With that as a given, I am not saying that 32 games of philosophy is a failure.

I'm saying you can't be logically consistent without rejecting the results that the Panthers philosophy has produced.

And the upshot of all of that is that you either have to reject the validity of fancy stats as a directive for a franchise, or you have to stop with this constant barrage that the Sabres will not be good with the roster it has this year.
- Der Kaiser

Herr Kaiser, well written. Consistency of argument and thought process is something I am trying to get through to my teenage kids. A number of posters on this thread jump around quite a bit - kind of a "whack a mole" mentality. For example, Regier gets crucified for not doing anything yet GMTM gets crucified by the same people for doing something. Two years ago, Girgensons was a great leader and future captain of the team; today he is a bum and not worth a 5th rounder. Another example, Reinhart stinks yet somehow this stinky player + a second rounder should be traded to "Team X" for their star #1 D-man and why hasn't GMTM made that trade yet? There are too many examples to cite.

Sabres maul the Cats tonight 4 - 1. Risto, Jack, Marcus and Bogo with the goals.

Is it worse than the Anson Carter experience?
- Pope of Pucks

wasn't that a late 70's/early 80's prog rock band?

Biron is an astute hockey guy. Rivet is all bluster about leadership. Peters is entertaining to a degree but will not call out under achieving players. Needs more Biron and Kris Baker
- jcragcrumple

haven't listened to it since shortly after Sylvester left

4-2 Swords

Eichel x 3 and Bogo x1

For you Floridians...bring a hat.

haven't listened to it since shortly after Sylvester left
- Michael Pachla

those two always had a strangely contentious relationship, it seemed. I like Peters and Rivet better, but I think they need a third person to be a more objective talent evaluator/non-player opinion

those two always had a strangely contentious relationship, it seemed. I like Peters and Rivet better, but I think they need a third person to be a more objective talent evaluator/non-player opinion
- jcragcrumple

Peters and Sylvester were probably the guys passing F U notes to each other on air. Towards the end you could sense the tension.

I really think a guy like Biron or Baker would do wonders on there full time.

Let's start from here: you are the one who has spent weeks railing against Kulikov's short tenure with the Sabres, and Reinhart's fate being already cast, and this thread's suggestion that we can't really gauge the Sabres in light of injuries and a wildly fluctuating line up; and lauding the Panthers for their quick moves in canning Gallant, particularly in light of Murray's inactivity this year.

With that as a given, I am not saying that 32 games of philosophy is a failure.

I'm saying you can't be logically consistent without rejecting the results that the Panthers philosophy has produced.

And the upshot of all of that is that you either have to reject the validity of fancy stats as a directive for a franchise, or you have to stop with this constant barrage that the Sabres will not be good with the roster it has this year.
- Der Kaiser

Would seem to me that the Panthers performance and results have been significantly impacted by injuries, perhaps more than the Sabres .... so calling out a year over year decline in pace, sorry Pach, and preaching for restraint in making judgements should apply equally to the Panthers situation as well.
Consistency in thought here as well.

those two always had a strangely contentious relationship, it seemed. I like Peters and Rivet better, but I think they need a third person to be a more objective talent evaluator/non-player opinion
- jcragcrumple

I agree, show without Sylvester is more entertaining now with Rivet and Peters...that is what I tune in for...entertainment.
Sylvester was an empty suit.
I do miss the old Hockey Hotline on Empire after games for the same reason....Robinand the redhead (forget his name) where funny as hell together....I swear they drank heavily before going on air.

10 hours of flying am not responding to any of this. Just please get the W


Eichel kicks my holiday off with a hatty

10 hours of flying am not responding to any of this. Just please get the W


Eichel kicks my holiday off with a hatty
- Sabresfan-365

Nothing new to see here!

4-2 Sabres Eichel with 2 and an assist, Risto 2 A, ROR 1 G 1 A, Foligno the other goal scorer

Nothing new to see here!

4-2 Sabres Eichel with 2 and an assist, Risto 2 A, ROR 1 G 1 A, Foligno the other goal scorer
- Stripes77

I'm at work, so that's good news for the Sabres

Also junior.

I just watched the press conference after Rex fired Greg Roman.

Not once did he say we aren't a rushing team. So I am not sure where you are coming up with that.
- Stripes77

I will find it later in class , ttul

I will find it later in class , ttul
- GERBE!!!75PTS

You abbreviated in the abbreviation of *you*?

I will find it later in class , ttul
- GERBE!!!75PTS

He even said yesterday on WGR as the Tin Man pointed out they are a rushing team. Good luck finding it bud...stay in school!