That season has 30 for 30 written all over it...well as soon as espn starts giving a damn about hockey
- Sabresfan-365

I'l give Myers and Stafford this much, they could have help salvage a point or two more in the season to surpass the Coyotes.

Funny, this all started with us complimenting Kane's play too.
- sbroads24

"I guess he's OK for a third liner as long as he stays out of jail, but even then he's way overpaid."

Compliments.

I'l give Myers and Stafford this much, they could have helped salvaged a point or two more in the season to surpass the Coyotes.
- GilPerreault11

Exactly, they would have been upgrades over Konopka and Benoit, probably worth a handful of points, which would have been enough to overtake AZ.

"I guess he's OK for a third liner as long as he stays out of jail, but even then he's way overpaid."

Compliments.
- Der Kaiser

That's like "Your ass makes your ass look fat"

"I guess he's OK for a third liner as long as he stays out of jail, but even then he's way overpaid."

Compliments.
- Der Kaiser

Guessing that's not an exact quote?

That logic basically admits we traded for guys that were worse than the guys everyone couldn't wait to get rid of.
- Sabresfan-365

No it doesn't, it says that the most important player in the trade was already done for the season due to injury.

That is his point, and I do believe, like him, that without making that move, the team had an excellent chance of not finishing last.

For fun, let's go back to February 2015 when the Sabres Jets trade was made.

Take that move back, and the Lehner trade, and then check all the other trades made and come up with ideas on better trades that would have both worked better for the Sabres and been an acceptable trade to the other team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9315_NHL_transactions

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9316_NHL_transactions

No it doesn't, it says that the most important player in the trade was already done for the season due to injury.

That is his point, and I do believe, like him, that without making that move, the team has an excellent chance of not finishing last.
- kingcong39

Saying that just makes the deal sound worse now. In any case I meant it more as Myers and Stafford being bad. They were dead last when it happened and if it was really a deal about ensuring last place he would have shipped Myers off for the 24th pick when Vancouver offered that in the summer and Stafford for 2nd/3rd rounder. Even with them in the lineup im sure it would have been close but ultimately nobody was worse than us, Arizona was close though.

For fun, let's go back to February 2015 when the Sabres Jets trade was made.

Take that move back, and the Lehner trade, and then check all the other trades made and come up with ideas on better trades that would have both worked better for the Sabres and been an acceptable trade to the other team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9315_NHL_transactions

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9316_NHL_transactions
- kingcong39

move the assets for saad instead of kane?

Trade for Raanta instead?

First one alone probably makes you a playoff team.


Edit: Draft picks for Palmieri?

Double edit: really wanted them to sign demers but spot was taken by bogosian

It's funny glorifying former players on a team that was one of the worst in the modern era of the NHL.

Now, if you want to have a hard on still for Lemeiux and the 1st I can see that but Myers, Stafford and even Armia?

"I guess he's OK for a third liner as long as he stays out of jail, but even then he's way overpaid."

Compliments.
- Der Kaiser

Maddening.

For fun, let's go back to February 2015 when the Sabres Jets trade was made.

Take that move back, and the Lehner trade, and then check all the other trades made and come up with ideas on better trades that would have both worked better for the Sabres and been an acceptable trade to the other team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9315_NHL_transactions

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9316_NHL_transactions
- kingcong39

Weren't you and I supposed to do this, trade wars style?

It's funny glorifying former players on a team that was one of the worst in the modern era of the NHL.

Now, if you want to have a hard on still for Lemeiux and the 1st I can see that but Myers, Stafford and even Armia?
- GilPerreault11

Holy cow man.

YOU are the one saying they would have ruined the Eichel pick. Aren't YOU glorifying their value?

Jeez, I was the biggest Myers fan here and I don't think he made one iota of a difference in the standings then

Weren't you and I supposed to do this, trade wars style?
- sbroads24

I got you


gimme a list of guys you loved in ottawa and we'll go from there

I got you


gimme a list of guys you loved in ottawa and we'll go from there
- Sabresfan-365

Holy cow man.

YOU are the one saying they would have ruined the Eichel pick. Aren't YOU glorifying their value?

Jeez, I was the biggest Myers fan here and I don't think he made one iota of a difference in the standings then
- sbroads24

A point or two is not glorifying. You write good fiction to cover your arse,lol

And the reason you won't write it will have made a difference is because it doesn't fit your terrible trade narrative. You are too simple to read.

For fun, let's go back to February 2015 when the Sabres Jets trade was made.

Take that move back, and the Lehner trade, and then check all the other trades made and come up with ideas on better trades that would have both worked better for the Sabres and been an acceptable trade to the other team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9315_NHL_transactions

https://en.wikipedia.org/...%80%9316_NHL_transactions
- kingcong39

Some deals of interest in order from large to small...

Large

To Calgary Flames Dougie Hamilton To Boston Bruins 1st round pick in 2015
2nd round pick in 2015
WSH's 2nd round pick in 2015

To Columbus Blue Jackets Brandon Saad
Michael Paliotta
Alex Broadhurst To Chicago Blackhawks Artem Anisimov
Marko Dano
Jeremy Morin
Corey Tropp
4th round pick in 2016

To Pittsburgh Penguins Phil Kessel*
Tim Erixon
Tyler Biggs
conditional PIT's 2nd round pick in 2016 or
     TOR's 2nd round pick in 2017 To Toronto Maple Leafs Nick Spaling
Kasperi Kapanen
Scott Harrington
conditional 1st round pick in 2016 or
     1st round pick in 2017 or
     2nd round pick in 2017
NJD's 3rd round pick in 2016

To Nashville Predators Ryan Johansen To Columbus Blue Jackets Seth Jones

Small

To Los Angeles Kings Andrej Sekera To Carolina Hurricanes Roland McKeown
conditional 1st round pick in 2015 or 2016

To New Jersey Devils Kyle Palmieri To Anaheim Ducks FLA's 2nd round pick in 2015
conditional 3rd round pick in 2016

To Washington Capitals T.J. Oshie To St. Louis Blues Troy Brouwer
Pheonix Copley
3rd round pick in 2016

To Dallas Stars Patrick Sharp
Stephen Johns To Chicago Blackhawks Trevor Daley
Ryan Garbutt*

Weren't you and I supposed to do this, trade wars style?
- sbroads24

Work is too busy and you never responded to any of the 3 emails I sent you.

Work is too busy and you never responded to any of the 3 emails I sent you.
- kingcong39

I never got one. I look at my emails daily.

You must have my email wrong. PM me yours when you are interested.

I have an alternate idea that maybe 365 could get in on

move the assets for saad instead of kane?

Trade for Raanta instead?

First one alone probably makes you a playoff team.

Edit: Draft picks for Palmieri?

Double edit: really wanted them to sign demers but spot was taken by bogosian
- Sabresfan-365

I had no idea Palmieri was going to explode like that last year.

That said, he only went for a 2nd and a conditional 3rd, and it's the sort of buy low and hope to get lucky move that getting Derrick Pouilot would be from the Penguins that Broads suggested yesterday.

Everyone will point to the Saad trade as the one.

For Saad, CBJ gave up Dano, who at the time was thought of to have a high ceiling due to his brief NHL play the prior season, and Anismov as the key pieces.

This was also a cap move for the Hawks.

That means the idea of Myers going there was toast. Ditto someone like Ennis.

Would Armia have been looked at it with as much promise as Dano, at that time? Probably not.

Adding in one of the 1st round picks from the 2015 is a no brainer as part of the deal, but what else did they have?

Having just landed Eichel and trading for O'Reilly, would you have included Reinhart in the deal for Saad, knowing he too was going to cost between $5M-$6M?

Would both of the other 2015 first round picks been enough to entice Chicago?

Maybe, but it seems like they needed/wanted at least one NHL player and one NHL ready player.

The first below is the actual trade and the second is my best guess at what it would have taken to beat what they got from CBJ.

To Columbus Blue Jackets Brandon Saad
Michael Paliotta
Alex Broadhurst To Chicago Blackhawks Artem Anisimov
Marko Dano
Jeremy Morin
Corey Tropp
4th round pick in 2016

To Buffalo Sabres Brandon Saad
Michael Paliotta
Alex Broadhurst
To Chicago Blackhawks
Zemgus Girgensons
Justin Bailey
Marcus Foligno
2015 1st

For the sake of the current conversation here is the NHL standings for February 10, 2015. One day before the Kane trade.

Arizona 55GP 47pts
Carolina 52 GP 45pts
Edmonton 55GP 39pts
Buffalo 55GP 35pts.

Sorry, the link won't post.

I've altered all the deals below from a Buffalo perspective to what I think the team they are trading with would have accepted and a deal that would have beat the real trade.

Large

To Buffalo Sabres Dougie Hamilton
To Boston Bruins 1st round pick in 2015
2nd round pick in 2015 (Buffalo's)
Brycen Martin (not sure that would have been enough with that being an in division trade between rivals)

To Buffalo Sabres Brandon Saad
Michael Paliotta
Alex Broadhurst
To Chicago Blackhawks
Zemgus Girgensons
Justin Bailey
Marcus Foligno
2015 1st

To Buffalo Sabres Phil Kessel*
Tim Erixon
Tyler Biggs
To Toronto Maple Leafs Zemgus Girgensons
Justin Bailey
Anthony Florentino
conditional1st round pick in 2016 or
     1st round pick in 2017 or
     2nd round pick in 2017
3rd round pick in 2016

To Buffalo Sabres Ryan Johansen To Columbus Blue Jackets Jack McCabe Hudson Fasching

Small

To Los Angeles Kings Josh Gorges & Nick Baptiste To Buffalo Sabres Roland McKeown
conditional 1st round pick in 2015 or 2016

To Buffalo Sabres Kyle Palmieri To Anaheim Ducks BUF 2nd round pick 2015
conditional 3rd round pick in 2016

To Buffalo Sabres T.J. Oshie To St. Louis Blues Marcus Foligno
Justin Bailey
BUF 2nd round pick in 2015

To Buffalo Sabres Patrick Sharp
Stephen Johns To Chicago Blackhawks Mark Pysyk
Zemgus Girgensons

Bold prediction: 4-2 Sabres. Girgs 1g 1a

For the sake of the current conversation here is the NHL standings for February 10, 2015. One day before the Kane trade.

Arizona 55GP 47pts
Carolina 52 GP 45pts
Edmonton 55GP 39pts
Buffalo 55GP 35pts.

Sorry, the link won't post.
- sskkoo1

Man those are some ugly, UGLY numbers.

The (frank) are you idiots doing?