Sam in front of the net, best place for him.
- doppelthat

It's working

“The vision started last season at the trade deadline. We began moving in the direction of having to acquire more top players,” said Regier. “This is about building for the Stanley Cup. Not a playoff run.”

About the Gaustad deadline trade

“It probably needs an understanding from our fan base that what Terry is asking of us
- sbroads24[is] to try a lot of things. He is in search of creating a Stanley Cup champion. It may require some suffering,” said Regier.

- Darcy Regier, 2013

If Darcy Regier was trying to sell me money for free, I wouldn't take him at his word.

That being said, none of those quotes imply a complete rebuild.

Does Reinhart remind anyone else of Danny Briere the way his net-front presence is?
- sskkoo1

lol no not even close

Does Reinhart remind anyone else of Danny Briere the way his net-front presence is?
- sskkoo1

not even on his best day

If Darcy Regier was trying to sell me money for free, I wouldn't take him at his word.

That being said, none of those quotes imply a complete rebuild.
- BeadyEyedDouche

They don't?

Come on.....

Sabres struggling to exit the zone last few minutes.

lol no not even close
- BeadyEyedDouche

I'm not suggesting he'll be as good as Danny was, just that he has a quiet way of being able to hang around in front of the net without getting beat up too hard and is typically right there for tips and rebounds.

Yes, I do. We traded him for a 1st rounder. Not exactly the same as selling off Torrey Mitchell for a 7th.

Darcy also added nothing that off season and went in with Grigorenko as an NHL center. They were rebuilding.

This GM sucks. Period. That's my opinion, and if he proves me wrong, I'll be the first to admit it.
- sbroads24

Here you go stretching facts to fit your narrative. Darcy traded Gaustad because he was offered a first, nobody in the world with an opinion on the matter actually believes Gaustad was worth anywhere near a 1st. That was a bad decision by Poile and that first fell into Darcy's lap. Grigorenko fell to the Sabres in that draft, he's was projected as high as 3 if memory serves. Did the rebuild plan include going to the draft to see what blue chip player is gonna fall from top 5 to 12?

Somehow I don't believe you will admit it, because I'm not sure what criteria you have for him proving you wrong. You argued with the Oiler fan over how long a rebuild actually takes because it exposed the unfinished edges of your woefully incomplete arguments rather than take the advice of a person who's seen first hand exactly how not to rebuild an NHL franchise. Who could've foreseen the leagues poorly thought out revamp of the draft lottery that punished poor teams in declared rebuilds and having it further backfire by rewarding the team that squandered both deserved and luck of the draw draft position for half a dozen years. Is that Murray's fault too?

Wanna get drunk quick? Play this Rob Ray drinking game:

2- every time he says "opportunity"
2- every time one of our guys does a "good job" at something.
1- every time he has to stop saying a word, because he's mangling it, and repeats himself.
3- each time he says "acrost" instead of "across".
Half- when he speaks too fast and makes one word out of several (i.e. clearssone, passfront, headpassman)
- Khmylev

Heading to the hospital to get my stomach pumped now.....
"Robin Rennerrrrr"

We gave up nothing to get Kane and Bogo, players that Murray didn't want. not 1 player that was moved to the Jets has taken that team anyplace.
- SABRES 89

True Story: Evander Kane has more goals than Drew Stafford, Tyler Myers, Joel Armia, Brendan Lemieux and Kyle Connor combined. 7 to 5.

They don't?

Come on.....
- sbroads24

Every single Buffalo fan knows he was going to sit on his hands more than anything. It took him being fired and Pat LaFontaine having a temper tantrum and storming out of his job for us to trade Miller, Ott, and to a lesser extent, Vanek.

But do tell me how starting Grigorenko meant he was committing to a rebuild.

I'm not sure he has scored a clean NHL goal at this point.
- BeadyEyedDouche

His skill at tip-ins is noteworthy.

Here you go stretching facts to fit your narrative. Darcy traded Gaustad because he was offered a first, nobody in the world with an opinion on the matter actually believes Gaustad was worth anywhere near a 1st. That was a bad decision by Poile and that first fell into Darcy's lap. Grigorenko fell to the Sabres in that draft, he's was projected as high as 3 if memory serves. Did the rebuild plan include going to the draft to see what blue chip player is gonna fall from top 5 to 12?

Somehow I don't believe you will admit it, because I'm not sure what criteria you have for him proving you wrong. You argued with the Oiler fan over how long a rebuild actually takes because it exposed the unfinished edges of your woefully incomplete arguments rather than take the advice of a person who's seen first hand exactly how not to rebuild an NHL franchise. Who could've foreseen the leagues poorly thought out revamp of the draft lottery that punished poor teams in declared rebuilds and having it further backfire by rewarding the team that squandered both deserved and luck of the draw draft position for half a dozen years. Is that Murray's fault too?
- DonLuce20

y u b so smart

like 2016, you need to stop

(But in all honesty, this guy gets it.)

Here you go stretching facts to fit your narrative. Darcy traded Gaustad because he was offered a first, nobody in the world with an opinion on the matter actually believes Gaustad was worth anywhere near a 1st. That was a bad decision by Poile and that first fell into Darcy's lap. Grigorenko fell to the Sabres in that draft, he's was projected as high as 3 if memory serves. Did the rebuild plan include going to the draft to see what blue chip player is gonna fall from top 5 to 12?

Somehow I don't believe you will admit it, because I'm not sure what criteria you have for him proving you wrong. You argued with the Oiler fan over how long a rebuild actually takes because it exposed the unfinished edges of your woefully incomplete arguments rather than take the advice of a person who's seen first hand exactly how not to rebuild an NHL franchise. Who could've foreseen the leagues poorly thought out revamp of the draft lottery that punished poor teams in declared rebuilds and having it further backfire by rewarding the team that squandered both deserved and luck of the draw draft position for half a dozen years. Is that Murray's fault too?
- DonLuce20

The Edmonton fan wants to think the average rebuild takes 10 years because Edmonton's rebuild is taking 10 years.

I provided examples of other teams similar to us, who have drafted high, made significant trades, and contended for a cup earlier than 10 years.

Kings drafted Brayden Schenn 5th, Doughty 2nd, then made trades for Carter and O'Reilly, our equivalent to ROR and Kane, and contended for a cup soon after.

Chicago and Pittsbugh, and now Edmonton all changed management after being bad for years, they didn't just dot back and let it continue to happen, they made changes until they got it right

His skill at tip-ins is noteworthy.
- Frizzlefry

So is his slower-than-molasses-melting-down-the-side-of-a-300ft.-Sky-Scraper-on-a-hot-summer-day speed.

Every single Buffalo fan knows he was going to sit on his hands more than anything. It took him being fired and Pat LaFontaine having a temper tantrum and storming out of his job for us to trade Miller, Ott, and to a lesser extent, Vanek.

But do tell me how starting Grigorenko meant he was committing to a rebuild.
- BeadyEyedDouche

In the article I quoted, Darcy talked about trading them.

And Darcy traded Vanek, before LaFontaine was even here

True Story: Evander Kane has more goals than Drew Stafford, Tyler Myers, Joel Armia, Brendan Lemieux and Kyle Connor combined. 7 to 5.
- Mentalorgasm5

Add to the fact that Meyers had an NTC (or NMC, i dont remember) starting the next season. GMTM has publicly stated he wants players that play "heavy," not even remotely Meyers' game.
BOGO may not be an equal, but he ditched a no trade clause on a player he most didnt like for him. He cut bait.

If this may help any of the current rebuild discussions, I just came across this Darcy quote.

“The vision started last season at the trade deadline. We began moving in the direction of having to acquire more top players,” said Regier. “This is about building for the Stanley Cup. Not a playoff run.”

Puck Daddy April 29, 2013

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ebuild-may-174038124.html

If this may help any of the current rebuild discussions, I just came across this Darcy quote.

“The vision started last season at the trade deadline. We began moving in the direction of having to acquire more top players,” said Regier. “This is about building for the Stanley Cup. Not a playoff run.”

Puck Daddy April 29, 2013

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ebuild-may-174038124.html
- sskkoo1

I swear it's like history never really happened

In the article I quoted, Darcy talked about trading them.

And Darcy traded Vanek, before LaFontaine was even here
- sbroads24

Talked. And the Vanek trade was going to happen regardless at the deadline that season. Trading his guy away when the writing was on the wall to arguably the worst GM in the NHL does not mean he was committing to a full rebuild.

LINDY AIN'T GOING NOWHERE

If this may help any of the current rebuild discussions, I just came across this Darcy quote.

“The vision started last season at the trade deadline. We began moving in the direction of having to acquire more top players,” said Regier. “This is about building for the Stanley Cup. Not a playoff run.”

Puck Daddy April 29, 2013

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ebuild-may-174038124.html
- sskkoo1

So, in hindsight, he was able to imply that he had started to rebuild with the Gaustad trade. Wow, I'm sure that was his vision all along.

LINDY AIN'T GOING NOWHERE

Talked. And the Vanek trade was going to happen regardless at the deadline that season. Trading his guy away when the writing was on the wall to arguably the worst GM in the NHL does not mean he was committing to a full rebuild.

LINDY AIN'T GOING NOWHERE
- BeadyEyedDouche

Dude, I don't even know what to tell you. They were targeting the top pick in the '14 draft when Darcy was still here. The rebuild was in full effect. Darcy was fired and Nolan and Patty were brought in because the fans had pitchforks in their hands. It was a PR move while we purposely sucked

The Edmonton fan wants to think the average rebuild takes 10 years because Edmonton's rebuild is taking 10 years.

I provided examples of other teams similar to us, who have drafted high, made significant trades, and contended for a cup earlier than 10 years.

Kings drafted Brayden Schenn 5th, Doughty 2nd, then made trades for Carter and O'Reilly, our equivalent to ROR and Kane, and contended for a cup soon after.

Chicago and Pittsbugh, and now Edmonton all changed management after being bad for years, they didn't just dot back and let it continue to happen, they made changes until they got it right
- sbroads24

No, his point was that it takes longer than four years. None of your examples are exact or correct. Doughty didn't put the kings over the top, that team took years to build and they hit on a perfect formula of great goalie supported by a well coached big bodied forechecking team that wears people down. They took everyone by surprise winning that first cup, they barely made the playoffs that year. Built to do damage in the playoffs, but not guaranteed to make the playoffs as built and coached. You are tiresome.

y u b so smart

like 2016, you need to stop

(But in all honesty, this guy gets it.)
- BeadyEyedDouche

I'm done, no more posts for several months. Just tired of idiots.

I'm done, no more posts for several months. Just tired of idiots.
- DonLuce20

There's a few of us in that boat but we get banned regularly.